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Adunh Slavy
#81 - 2012-03-22 20:12:47 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:

Current plan is that the bonus you get for killing someone is halved for every time you've previously killed that person in the last 28 days, with the "halved" subject to further balancing. That should prevent at least the most obvious exploit cases.



Need a time delay in there as well, such as 15-30 minutes between possible reward.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#82 - 2012-03-22 20:18:33 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:

Current plan is that the bonus you get for killing someone is halved for every time you've previously killed that person in the last 28 days, with the "halved" subject to further balancing. That should prevent at least the most obvious exploit cases.


Need a time delay in there as well, such as 15-30 minutes between possible reward.

I don't think time is a big factor. We've proven we have time.

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Adunh Slavy
#83 - 2012-03-22 20:21:16 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:

Current plan is that the bonus you get for killing someone is halved for every time you've previously killed that person in the last 28 days, with the "halved" subject to further balancing. That should prevent at least the most obvious exploit cases.


Need a time delay in there as well, such as 15-30 minutes between possible reward.

I don't think time is a big factor. We've proven we have time.



It'll be a factor when an entire alliance gets their alts out for everyone to shoot

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#84 - 2012-03-22 20:25:45 UTC
Now that I've got time, and a proper keyboard, some comments:

Refactoring Crimewatch, and tearing it into little uncommected pieces is a very good thing. While it may, initially, create more bugs, it will be /significantly/ easier to debug. And new changes are less likely to cause unforeseen consequences.

The suspect and criminal flagging. As long as there's a decent consensual PvP method, rather than can flipping, this also looks good.

Do something 'illegal' and you're no longer protected by Concord.
Do something very illegal, and you're going to be popped.

What wasn't in the slides, but was said, was the Concord battleship alternative 'deathray' idea, might not be instakill, on very illegal activity. Might be a warp scram ray, then the death ray a few seconds later. So yes, you can't belt hop one step ahead of concord for a second kill. But you have the same chance otherwise of killing stuff.

The ability to just buy sec status is a nice one. As well as the new ways to earn it. It'll need careful balancing, to prevent farming, but there's only so much farming that can be done. Recycling alts with low sec status is an exploit (if it's just because of the sec status), so there'll already be something in place to watch for it. I'd hope, at least.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#85 - 2012-03-22 20:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Redacted Twisted

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Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
#86 - 2012-03-22 20:36:51 UTC
RR giving dock/jump timer is just another buff for the blobs. Make it high sec only imo. Pirate take sentry aggro...isn't that enough? If no then how about increase logi hp or insurance payout?
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#87 - 2012-03-22 20:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
CCP Greyscale wrote:


[...]

Can-flipping as-is will be impossible once the safeties are added. People should be able to choose to do dumb things, but they should also have the information they need to figure out that the thing they're doing is dumb.

Duelling we're planning to support with an explicit mechanic rather than the current hacky workaround.

[...]



Thank you for confirming what I have long suspected.

-3 accounts soonish I'm thinking, this is a complete ******* farce, even by the standards of CCP.

WoW does WoW better than EVE ever has, will, or even can (try building in a PvE component that isn't an archaic, tedious joke, first).

Why can't you get this through your head, and stop trying to make EVE, WoW? You'll never succeed at it, and you bloody well know it. What is so hard about this?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Terazul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-03-22 20:42:59 UTC
Lawl, you don't even know how PvP works in WoW, do you?

For that matter, you can still be a douchebag in high-sec with the current proposal. You just can't do so without consequences (GASP OHMIGAWD SO SCARY).

But seriously? There's always low- and null-sec, those aren't going away anytime soon. And again, noob retention is kind of a big deal. So deal with it! Twisted
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-03-22 20:43:08 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:


[...]

Can-flipping as-is will be impossible once the safeties are added. People should be able to choose to do dumb things, but they should also have the information they need to figure out that the thing they're doing is dumb.

Duelling we're planning to support with an explicit mechanic rather than the current hacky workaround.

[...]



Thank you for confirming what I have long suspected.

-3 accounts soonish I'm thinking, this is a complete ******* farce, even by the standards of CCP.

WoW does WoW better than EVE ever has, will, or even can (try building in a PvE component that isn't an archaic, tedious joke, first) why can't you get this through your head, and stop trying to make EVE, WoW?



Obligatory, your stuff can I haz?
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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#90 - 2012-03-22 20:45:25 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:


[...]

Can-flipping as-is will be impossible once the safeties are added. People should be able to choose to do dumb things, but they should also have the information they need to figure out that the thing they're doing is dumb.

Duelling we're planning to support with an explicit mechanic rather than the current hacky workaround.

[...]



Thank you for confirming what I have long suspected.

-3 accounts soonish I'm thinking, this is a complete ******* farce, even by the standards of CCP.

WoW does WoW better than EVE ever has, will, or even can (try building in a PvE component that isn't an archaic, tedious joke, first) why can't you get this through your head, and stop trying to make EVE, WoW?

Wait... what are you complaining about? The only people who will be annoyed by this are high sec can flippers... and I don't really see how this changes that much, other when you jack a can everyone can shoot at you. That's probably the way it should have been anyway. It won't deter the ninja looters, I can tell you that.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#91 - 2012-03-22 20:46:38 UTC
If you steal from them, then they shoot you, you'll be able to shoot back. All this will do is:

A: Allow everyone else to shoot you.
B: 'stop' people stealing back from you, without understanding the consequences (because people are stupid)

You'll just turn off your safties, and not be bothered.


Of course, this introduces the fun concept of a bouncer on the asteroid belt. You steal from someone's can, they try to blow you up. Big smile More PvP

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#92 - 2012-03-22 20:46:59 UTC
Terazul wrote:
Lawl, you don't even know how PvP works in WoW, do you?

For that matter, you can still be a douchebag in high-sec with the current proposal. You just can't do so without consequences (GASP OHMIGAWD SO SCARY).

But seriously? There's always low- and null-sec, those aren't going away anytime soon. And again, noob retention is kind of a big deal. So deal with it! Twisted


There are consequences to ganking/PvP in hisec.

I don't give a flying **** about WoW: I just know that this is dividing the sandbox along explicit lines whilst, apparently, eliminating options, which is not what a sandbox is supposed to be.

Teaching noobs how to work in the sandbox starting with a revamped NPE, instead of just giving them a mining gun, a civi gun, and teaching them how to shoot red crosses or rocks with nothing about mechanics, is how you build a good, long-term EVE player who "gets it."

But can't have that, when we can just break things already broken even further, now can we.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#93 - 2012-03-22 20:48:59 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:


[...]

Can-flipping as-is will be impossible once the safeties are added. People should be able to choose to do dumb things, but they should also have the information they need to figure out that the thing they're doing is dumb.

Duelling we're planning to support with an explicit mechanic rather than the current hacky workaround.

[...]



Thank you for confirming what I have long suspected.

-3 accounts soonish I'm thinking, this is a complete ******* farce, even by the standards of CCP.

WoW does WoW better than EVE ever has, will, or even can (try building in a PvE component that isn't an archaic, tedious joke, first) why can't you get this through your head, and stop trying to make EVE, WoW?

Wait... what are you complaining about? The only people who will be annoyed by this are high sec can flippers... and I don't really see how this changes that much, other when you jack a can everyone can shoot at you. That's probably the way it should have been anyway. It won't deter the ninja looters, I can tell you that.


Quite right, and it wouldn't deter me, either (might just go ninja-salvaging again, at that.).

But this is drawing a line in the sand of the box, as it were...That's not a good thing, in a sandbox MMO.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#94 - 2012-03-22 20:49:22 UTC
Meh

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#95 - 2012-03-22 20:50:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:


[...]

Can-flipping as-is will be impossible once the safeties are added. People should be able to choose to do dumb things, but they should also have the information they need to figure out that the thing they're doing is dumb.

Duelling we're planning to support with an explicit mechanic rather than the current hacky workaround.

[...]



Thank you for confirming what I have long suspected.

-3 accounts soonish I'm thinking, this is a complete ******* farce, even by the standards of CCP.

WoW does WoW better than EVE ever has, will, or even can (try building in a PvE component that isn't an archaic, tedious joke, first) why can't you get this through your head, and stop trying to make EVE, WoW?



Obligatory, your stuff can I haz?


I didn't explicitly say I was going-dark, just that I'm much more seriously considering it than at any time since the Incarna debacle.

And if I do, then my stuffs go to friends, sorry.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#96 - 2012-03-22 20:53:03 UTC
I consistently get the impression that changes to highsec gameplay are made without anyone in the process having the foggiest idea about what actually happens in highsec.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#97 - 2012-03-22 20:55:50 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Quite right, and it wouldn't deter me, either (might just go ninja-salvaging again, at that.).

But this is drawing a line in the sand of the box, as it were...That's not a good thing, in a sandbox MMO.

Meh... I wouldn't get too worked up just yet. Lets wait and see what the new wardec system will look like.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#98 - 2012-03-22 20:56:32 UTC
Only option this is really eliminating is the risk free ganking of a noob in a mining ship.

It is opening up other options, say:

A missioning fleet from multiple corps, dealing with a ninja looter (who, let's be fair) isn't really there for the loot.
'anti pirates', not losing sec status when going after pirate in lowsec.


And /significantly/ cleaner code. Which is always something to strive for.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#99 - 2012-03-22 20:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Can-flipping as-is will be impossible once the safeties are added. People should be able to choose to do dumb things, but they should also have the information they need to figure out that the thing they're doing is dumb.

I want to clarify here: when I'm racing another explorer in a Gurista Scout Outpost and he pops the tower, will I be able to steal the loot from the can at the risk of him engaging me?

Because if you break that mechanic, you've taken away something that was JUST FINE.

And if someone wants to whine about how it's not fair that I took from "their" can, what about the fact that I did 90% of the damage in room 1 to unlock the gate and they just got lucky and landed the final blow on the tower?

There's a lot more to consider here than "that's my can because I shot that rat".

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Geoscape
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2012-03-22 20:58:56 UTC
Did ccp mention anything about adding fleet boosters to killmails as assisting party?