EVE General Discussion

Just cut off null sec from empire, only accesable through wormholes.

I could post a lenghty proposal but what are the odds the above would even happen in the first place.

Blunt reality check for you regarding bots right now.

They've lost a hell of alot of players due to their.... decisions with incarna...

Right now the bots are providing them with a much needed income.

Taking a guess with the numbers of at LEAST 5000 bots...

14.95x5000= $74,750 per month.

Had they have not made poor decisions and bluntly ignored the community's wishes when they released incarna... There would still be two problems.


CCP would still be ignoring our plea's for them to do stuff about bots. Their whole activeness on the forums, and promices to turn things aronnd for the better... So the chances this thread would dissapear (and probably will anyway for the $$ reasons ive said above) to the back pages very quickly.


Secondly, why are bots used? Let's take mining bots for example. Legit players, majority of which are nestled deep within 0.0, use them. why? Mining is boring as ****. It needs redesigning. If CCP is true to their EULA like they "should" be - There would be alot of big names and alliances that would have an incredible alot of people posting under alts with hate threads against CCP for the loss of their accounts. CCP seem to understand the issue, yet refuze to act on it for two reasons. $$ from subscriptions, and they realise mining needs a serious overhaul, yet it's so far back on their "to do" list their current concensus is to turn a blind eye and let it continue untill they get around to the cause of the problem, which at the current rate wont be untill another 3 years, or even longer if CCP somehow manages to continue walkign down the same path that got them into this incarna-mess in the first place.



Now on the other hand - the ratting bots, the ones which fuel RMTselling sites, need to be dealt with. It would be in CCP's favor to tackle them head on, forcing people to buy ETC's for Isk rather than the cheaper alternative from the RMT Sellers. Again, CCP at this point in time wont dare ban the botters, they're paying CCPs' bills right now, and because of the mass players leaving in protest, they need every damn cent they can get.






What we should be focusing on is other issues that have been long ignored because it seems its far easier for CCP to ignore than actualy address the issue.




Here's a few examples.


AFK Cloaking


are moon minerals and the need to have them... move? deplete from a moon and respawn elsewhere.


0.0 Sov Mechanics


Re-Designing Mining so you dont want to commit suicide IRL after an hour of mining continuiously.


Allowing skillchange via evegate?

Etc.

okay, those who say that Bots provide an incoming for CCP are FREAKING STUPID !!!!!

The vast majority of bots are being used by accounts that were paid with stolen credits cards / hacked bank accounts etc etc

Talk to any MMO developer and they will say the same thing.

Very few accounts that are used to grind isk / gold / whatever the currancy of the MMO are paid for using stolen credit cards and hacked bank accounts.

The issue with bots is that by and large you have 2 main camps.

The first is the single user. He may have 2 - 3 accounts and uses bots to mine ore or ice in high sec, mainly ice as it is a lot harder to spot.

Once he gets caught it is very unlikely he will bot again.

This people are not the problem.

It is the 2nd camp which are the problem.

The large organisations which use bots to run missions in high sec, who control vasts numbers of bots in null sec.

These guys sell the isk they generate to the RMT compaines for real money.

Eve is different to many other MMO's as its the players selling the isk to the RMT sites instead of them doing it themselves.

The only way forward is to hit these guys hard, but in doing that you will upset the big null sec alliances which also control the CSM...

That is why I can never see CCP going after them hard.

I would love for CCP to prove me and many other wrong but it hasn't happened so far.

I mean what ever happened to the Dev Blog Screeg was going put about regarding their effort against bots... maybe the Chair of the CSM, an old friend and Corp Collegue had a word :)

EVE Is Real...
Just like real life corruption at the highest levels.


Best quote ever.






I never said that.
I said address...
Fix.
Or make it legal for the general population.


I also said all MMO's will have to confront this issue as the years pass (much more so then they are now) Bots are only becoming smarter, more commonplace and easily accessible.

Not if bots are prolific in other MMORPG's which they are.
EVE is no more boring or tedious then anything else, it is only slightly more entertaining.




But I don't want this to be a bot's only thread...
Is there no one else out there that has a voice that they want heard?

AFK Cloaking.


Its actaly become a tatcic now to have throw away alts - ones trained to fly cloaks and drop covert cyno's.


Leave said alt wherever you want to camp 23/7. Do all the important things on you're main char (mine/rat/pvp) - while checking on the alt cloaker periodicly.


When juicy targets appear - light covert cyno - jump gang in - get kills - log out after aggression timer.





Needs counter - Again CCP refuzes to touch on the issue because - before the incarna stint - it would have caused too many QQ's from the people whom employ this tatic, and bias with the people who run the show liking using this technique themselves.




Provide a reasonable counter or change cloaking.

no links empire-null through stargates and thus no cyno

wormholes same level, no static exit. wh exits dont need to be scanned out, visible on overview just like gates.
no ship assembly arrays allowed in a wh. ( contain unstable component)

70-75% of ore and ice in empire moved to low sec.
no sec hit in low sec from kills ( no cops around to fine you)
dreads and carriers will be the top you encounter there.

upkeep for capships. low upkeep for industrial -> high upkeep for titans.
lesser upkeep when offline, max upkeep in catagoy when online.

Upkeep for every gate in system in null ( maintenance fee )

Faction ammo only in faction warfare store.
Joining faction lowers standings with other factions over time.
Higher standings = more lp payout on conquering low sec system via FW npc sov structure.
killing fw players will result in delayed docking timer, increasing with every kill
to fix, join fw to claim systems.
fw players killing none fw players lose standings and get less or no lp payout plus delayed docking timer.

null sec increased anomalies, only those drop faction loot.
reinforced fights. the longer you fight, the more reinforcements poor in, the higher the faction drops will be.

Low bounty on null sec npc's. empire factions dont pay for npc's killed outside their turf. Production and trade from null to empire is essential for income. Wormhole small gang fights increased at inceased frequency. more risk for wh day stripping.
Secure your traderoute at that time.

no t3 research in empire, only in null.
Monopolise the adventure into null in that area atleast.

Regional cyno blocking stations.
modular stations to eihter build up for industry or massive defense to secure industry behind.
fully deployed they requiere sizable fleet to take down and destroy. cant be cynoed past , attuned to redirect any cyne to within combat range. Stations subject to upkeep.

moongoo distribution is subject to depletion. moonminers send notification when new goo type is detected or current ones run low.

neutral assisting of ships that have none npc combat target results in delayed docking timer ( station has to make some security checks)

nex items in empire will be general assortment. exclusive items in null along with patterns to select your own clothing output.

No isk transfers from empire to null. transaction authorities are prohibited to offer that service by the ruling factions.
No clonejump back and forth, like with wormholes there is no link.

npc spawns in belts are randomised from a pool of various npc types, resulting in small scale incursions in every region.
subject to reinforcement up to fixed lvl depending on location.

T2 destroyer can be equiped with a "paint" launcher. Can be equiped various sizes of "painbombs" ( 1au up to 3-4 ?) that can be fired and subsequently detonated at desired destination resulting in a paint bubble sticking to any ship within the area. Cloaked ships will appear for a certain duration depending on the bomb lvl and can get locked on for warp in.

any chnace they can fix the logging out bug, that dosnt actually log your ship out first.

as if you didnt you woudl have them dealing with a lot of i logged out and died 3h later mails

Nop, every trade empire <->null goes through wormholes.
Hop around in empire based jumpfreighters in low sec if you desire to do so.

Wormhole traffic will make even the largest alliance subject to risk from smaller entities and it will be an essential trade activity to provide income for paying the null sec upkeeps. More space=more upkeep. More caps=more upkeep.
At first the impact will be minimal on their wallets but even the high rollers out there will need to take genuine risks eventually in order to sustain themself.
Eihter risk alot to keep what you have, or downsize what you have to lower the frequency of risk and thus more space available for other known or new entities in null.
Steamrolling with a blob of capitols will come at a hefty upkeep so that should downsize aswell over time.

Null sec does however have all the best minerals and all the faction items, plus t3 invention. So you can expect that those will go up in price quite heavilly in empire.

Atm you can acces null sec via wormholes allready, granted the entry points are not that abundand.
They could however let every wormhole contain 3 exits. 1 for null sec, 1 for low sec and 1 for high sec. The server useage on the current null sec connection points will be shifted towards those points.

As a result, the combination of the proposed idea's, bot activity will be lowered.
Yes, some amounth of accaunts may falter, not by the risk or change in their enviroment but more because their current activity may not be that suitable anymore.