These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Incoming titan adjustments

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
FeLiZk
Loot Industries
#1821 - 2012-03-14 19:59:07 UTC
Khadmos wrote:
If this is such a horrible nerf, why isn't PL selling their titans?

I see a **** load of buyers in the buy/sell forum but no confirmed sales yet.

Either PL isn't actually selling their titans because they know they are still over powered or they are idiots and actually selling them to droves of people who know they are still over powered.

It's pretty obvious that all this whining is just an attempt to keep them as ridiculous as they are now.


Or people have used a lot of time on getting them, and want to see if CCP really does this. And then get them to dock them so they can reprocess. Almost 60 bil in minerals now I think.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#1822 - 2012-03-14 19:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
The Mittani wrote:

- the inability, when faced with what amounted to a free bar, not to drink themselves into blundering violence and to assault the other guests.



Heed your own advice here !

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Venus Vermillion
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1823 - 2012-03-14 19:59:51 UTC
hioshi IV wrote:
NEXT: goons trying to ridicule my post, to make it disappear into the pages darkness ..


The puppetmaster defense.

Dance, goons. DANCE.
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1824 - 2012-03-14 20:00:06 UTC
Delegado Cero wrote:
I think 5 scan resolution is too much, there's not that much difference in a sieged dreadnought locking a titan and vice versa.


Best av in the game right here.
Heathkit
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1825 - 2012-03-14 20:01:19 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
asdf ghyj wrote:
Dear CCP if do this nerf then gief back to all pilots titan skills cuz we spend 5 bil for skill and 100 bils = for titan and wasting like 3 month + for make skill AND NOW WE CANT USE THIS SHIP cuz this MITANI not have skill and isk to take titan

MR MITANI go play PREPELIX ONLINE and stop cry to CCP cuz u guys (goon) cant fly titans

OR MAKE SERVER FOR GOONS AND LET US PLAY FAIR
And CCp what prefer to have 6-7k players( goons) or 60k players ??????
Think before do wrong changes


I fly an Erebus, and have one of the largest Titan fleets in the galaxy.

The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If RDN, NCdot and PL hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened.

They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc. The same old guard players, the same old guard excuses, the same old-guard entitlement.

Ultimately, the nemesis of titans was the poor impulse control of their own pilots - the inability, when faced with what amounted to a free bar, not to drink themselves into blundering violence and to assault the other guests.

Actually, I think asdf makes a good point. CCP, please think before do wrong changes.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#1826 - 2012-03-14 20:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
If we in this thread had both sides scream bloody murder at CCP, they would have known they had found a solution that wasnt horribly favouring one side. Instead we have the Goons acting like they f*cking saved EVE. That tells me all I need to know.
Daiony
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1827 - 2012-03-14 20:02:58 UTC
Scooter McCabe wrote:
Quote:
Because the honorable mittani and the goons are a role model for moral integrity and aloofness. Please, get over yourself.
Look at the whole picture from a non biased standpoint and even you will have to acknowledge that this "fix" is ****, halfassed. It doesn't matter where anyone touched your subcapitals. The very concept of this adjustment is wrong. They should do it right the first time, not rush some crap out and alienate one part of the playerbase.

Try to be objective for once.


Okay let's be objective:

The utilitarian argument: Fewer players actually use Titans, more players fly sub caps so lets make sure they enjoy the game.

The pragmatic argument: Titan's are supposed to be powerful and a threat to a number of ships, just not all ships.

The rational argument: Cannons aren't used for swatting flies.

The selfish argument: The few should be able to have a powerful ship that can be a threat to all ships and despite being a cannon it should be able to pluck the wings off a fly and by fly I mean Rifter.

So class 3 of these arguments are based on logic and not emotion. 1 of these arguments sums up what a coward hiding behind an alt is essentially saying. Which argument do you think that coward is using?


I am not opposed to a titan nerf. I am opposed to this "fix" because of its diletantic and amateuristic execution. I can differentiate.
Dovinian
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1828 - 2012-03-14 20:04:06 UTC
Daiony wrote:

I am not opposed to a titan nerf. I am opposed to this "fix" because of its diletantic and amateuristic execution. I can differentiate.

I too can use a dictionary to post, I'm just too lazy.
Sotar Armana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1829 - 2012-03-14 20:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sotar Armana
Vile rat wrote:
Delegado Cero wrote:
I think 5 scan resolution is too much, there's not that much difference in a sieged dreadnought locking a titan and vice versa.


Best av in the game right here.


I dunno, the AV that looks like Walter from The Big Lebowski is pretty great.

Anyway, in an unrelated note, if you don't like it, what would you have done to fix Titans?
Sigras
Conglomo
#1830 - 2012-03-14 20:05:45 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
This doesn't scale the damage, it scales the hit chance. Part of the problem we're having is that titans aren't hitting subcaps all that often, but when they do hit they do full anti-capital damage and frequently one-hit things as a result.


Could gun grouping be the culprit in this?

I know that the statistics are the same over 1,000,000 shots, a 6 gun group will put out the same amount of damage as 6 individual guns, but as per my understanding of how gun grouping works, when the group fires, its like all the guns hitting or all of them missing.

again, the damage is going to be conserved given the same number of rounds, but the gun group is going to do massive burst damage because the chance for all of the guns to hit is:
n
instead of
n^6
Scooter McCabe
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1831 - 2012-03-14 20:07:48 UTC
Daiony wrote:
Scooter McCabe wrote:
Quote:
Because the honorable mittani and the goons are a role model for moral integrity and aloofness. Please, get over yourself.
Look at the whole picture from a non biased standpoint and even you will have to acknowledge that this "fix" is ****, halfassed. It doesn't matter where anyone touched your subcapitals. The very concept of this adjustment is wrong. They should do it right the first time, not rush some crap out and alienate one part of the playerbase.

Try to be objective for once.


Okay let's be objective:

The utilitarian argument: Fewer players actually use Titans, more players fly sub caps so lets make sure they enjoy the game.

The pragmatic argument: Titan's are supposed to be powerful and a threat to a number of ships, just not all ships.

The rational argument: Cannons aren't used for swatting flies.

The selfish argument: The few should be able to have a powerful ship that can be a threat to all ships and despite being a cannon it should be able to pluck the wings off a fly and by fly I mean Rifter.

So class 3 of these arguments are based on logic and not emotion. 1 of these arguments sums up what a coward hiding behind an alt is essentially saying. Which argument do you think that coward is using?


I am not opposed to a titan nerf. I am opposed to this "fix" because of its diletantic and amateuristic execution. I can differentiate.


I have a better idea why don't you explain exactly why its diletantic and amateuristic instead of being shallow and pedantic with your rebuttals.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1832 - 2012-03-14 20:08:08 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
If we in this thread had both sides scream bloody murder at CCP, they would have known they had found a solution that wasnt horribly favouring one side. Instead we have the Goons acting like they f*cking saved EVE. That tells me all I need to know.


lmao this dumb pubbie honestly believes that CCP gives a **** about the "balance of power"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Delegado Cero
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1833 - 2012-03-14 20:09:01 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
If we in this thread had both sides scream bloody murder at CCP, they would have known they had found a solution that wasnt horribly favouring one side. Instead we have the Goons acting like they f*cking saved EVE. That tells me all I need to know.


There's no pleasing NPC alts who think titans should remain retardedly overpowered.
We didn't really do anything to save EVE, this was entirely brought on by the titan pilots themselves.
Vatek
Rents Due Crew
#1834 - 2012-03-14 20:10:48 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Delegado Cero wrote:
I think 5 scan resolution is too much, there's not that much difference in a sieged dreadnought locking a titan and vice versa.


Best av in the game right here.


Every time I see it I start humming Village People songs.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1835 - 2012-03-14 20:12:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
i cant wait for stackable RR and damage applied penilties... the goon tears are going to be epic!
You mean those things that have already been hinted at, and which most sane people will already be planning for?

ah and that is where your logic fails you asume that goons are sane...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1836 - 2012-03-14 20:12:32 UTC
hioshi IV wrote:
@CCP: Your drawing your own death.

Look at this topic, more and more people are starting to see your connection/favoritism towards goons.

Soon, your corruption will be exposed, you will die, and i wont feel sorry for you.

..

This is still just a game! Nobody will die...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1837 - 2012-03-14 20:13:02 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
i cant wait for stackable RR and damage applied penilties... the goon tears are going to be epic!
You mean those things that have already been hinted at, and which most sane people will already be planning for?

ah and that is where your logic fails you asume that goons are sane...


we do know that you have an extra chromosome because of your blatant abuse of ellipses, pubbie

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Khadmos
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1838 - 2012-03-14 20:13:05 UTC
Dear Rainden. and NC alts,

You do realize that CCP knows what your main accounts are, right?

Trying to make it look like the high sec masses have a problem with titans being nerfed isn't going to work.

CCP isn't blind, they know how big the fleets are when there are fleet fights and they know how many are on each side. Your attempts to claim that goons are the only ones who want this, because of there numbers, aren't going to fool anybody.

FA is about the same size as raiden and we have fielded more ships than the goons on several ops now. We've also been out numbered by raiden, NC and co. and then only lost when 40 titans were dropped on the field because we were winning.

You aren't going to fool anybody. You abused titans, you bragged about it and now they are being nerfed.

I really hope you aren't surprised when nobody takes pity on you.
Sotar Armana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1839 - 2012-03-14 20:14:05 UTC
How many pubbies here won't ever even see a titan and yet are against this for some dumb reason?
Death2all Supercaps
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#1840 - 2012-03-14 20:14:56 UTC
Oh Hey, check my name
C C P put you in pain
No more low sec games