EVE General Discussion

Hi, new player here.

I joined maybe eight months ago around the time of all the Incarna drama. I made a post then on the previous-version of Degren about why I have avoided Eve for all these years, why I finally joined.

I suppose now would be a good time to say my current experience in game, what I've done, what nearly made me quit, etc.

I joined with several friends with the intent to get in stealth bombers and try and get some amusing kills/early action. We figured stealth bombers were a decent low-skill way to hop into higher tiers of pvp (ie, not just tackling). We didn't want to join an alliance, we just wanted to carve out our little niche of Eve space.

We ended up joining a player corp and were quickly side tracked into mining and industry at the corp's behest, and also followed the advice of Rookie Help and E-Uni chat. We stuck with high-sec, grinded for cybernetics V and downloaded EveMon for the ~perfect skillqueue~

Based on the advice of other players, we became risk averse, high-sec babies.

Let me just tack on a point and say the five of us are considered "hardcore pvpers" in other games, including other sandboxes such as UO. We are among the highest ranked in ...most... games we pick up and run with. Mining and acquiring isk became our mentality and it was NOT what drew us to the game.

They quit. I stayed, quite angered and bored. At this point I was doing nothing but logging in to play Blink, update my skillqueue and log off. When the realization that I was paying money to basically do nothing but get "lucky isk" and update skills I don't use struck me, the decision was either quit or start anew.

I started anew. I was unsure what to train for now. My friends and I had plans together. Our chosen ewar would supplement each others, we would have five stealth bombers so we assumed the burst damage would rock faces...now it was only me.

I was clueless what to do, what to shoot for, what my role in Eve would be. I couldn't be solo, that would not only be boring for me, but it would likely require a bit of waiting.

So I started asking some people on the forums, people whose gameplay philosophies matched my own (based on their posts) what I should do.

Joined Red vs Blue, started training combat stuff...its currently delayed getting Destroyers and Battlecruisers V, but I can still have fun in Rifters. When I get a decent amount of combat and skill training under my belt, I'll shoot for an alliance.

TL;DR: I had prior knowledge that Eve was pvp-centric, and it was the bad advice of carebears and ego-tripping no-nothings that nearly killed Eve for me.
Seriously if you have no clue what you're talking about, don't give advice. New players have no way of telling the difference.

New player comes to eve. New player see's all of the things you can do, all of the careers you can take up. New player gets excited.

A few weeks down the line and new player realizes that apart from missions none of the other stuff is worth doing.
New player is told that things are better in low-sec. New player fly's to low-sec. New player gets blown up.

New player get's fed-up and bored. New player leaves eve.

Meh

Nothing to me is more nihilistic than making money to serve no other end than to make more money.

I just get tired of reading about how they are something that anyone can get into when they are so obviously not. It's the same minmax crowd you see in any highend pve area of a game and they never, ever change.

New player has less than zero chance against the predators that roam their own training grounds, never mind those that lurk in low-sec.

Oh no, I had the BC, Tengu ect. skills even before this whole mess started. What I lack is the 800m or so for one and the idea of buying one with all the trimmings and having enough to replace it in a speedy fashion makes me think what's the point? Buying the best ships in the game just to farm money is stupid. If I had sh*tloads of disposable income I'd be pvp'ing regularly. Farming should be a means, not an ends.

I couldn't care less about joining them I just hate it when people misrepresent a situation to serve their own purposes.

How does joining a group make your wang bigger? I never experienced this effect...

This is among the most sense I've seen in this thread.

And oh, how their purposes appear to be served!

The other night I was running around in my Federation Comet with a cargo hold full of caviar and Grey Poupon...

ok kidding on that last part



I saw a Velator MINING.

Yes. I was drunk, but double checked and it was a Velator. MINING.

4 hour old character.

I threw the noob a million ISK with a note saying "Get a Navitas or something".


Now here's the best part: I was leaving a station later after refitting, because I suck at fitting ships after 6 years, and saw the same player in a Navitas!


It might have been the first time anyone in this game ever followed a suggestion. I am sure it will be worked out of him soon enough.

I liked your post, but noob corps aren't the answer. Blind leading the blind and all.

The best thing you could possibly do is get out of noob corps for good. Obviously I'm going to suggest combat PVE, to synergize with your goal of PVP combat.

But don't grind too much. Go out and have fun in cheaper, throwaway ships. Who knows, you might find a faction spawn out in low-sec. I did. On my third day subbed. In a frigate. I got a Halo Beta for my troubles, even though I didn't get any player kills that night!

The ISK sorts itself out in time.

Coming from other mainstream titles, EVE was a breath of fresh air. I started playing in the midst of the Incarna rollout and if nothing else, the Jita riots sealed the deal for me. For a playerbase to show such emotion and effect change I knew I stumbled on something great.