EVE General Discussion

You gave your thoughts on possible reasons why new players are leaving, not the company thoughts. If you noticed, there about a dozen people with a dozen different views as to why there is a reason for leaving. The thoughts accumulated are better suited for the definition of critical thinking as there are multiple eyes and we can see the box from multiple angles as opposed to only one person doing so.
So no, I am not saying that the reasons that you gave are not reasons at all, I am saying they are your view on it, but they are not the view, unless of course you were directly quoting from a devblog which appears that you were not.

On a side note, show me another game where the paranoia level in every game aspect can reach the idiotic level of Eve online.

It's really amazing how after time I found some players that had 7 to 20+ accounts and finally told me (or I just found necessary info with available tools) the x or y toon that I discussed with was his alt, because he wanted to be sure I wasn't a spy

I couldn't count the number of laughs I have with my son because of this. Just for this single point, thank you guys

Over the last month I have as they say 'rolled a new buddy account' and these are a few things I found when doing this and remember it was years ago since I started playing.

First although the NPE (New Player Experience) is a lot better than when I started playing it still needs a lot of work and I believe from another CCP thread they will be doing just that.

The New Player Help channel was often filled with over 2,000 new players and sometimes close to 3,000 so I don't think there is a shortage of people trying the game.

The channel questions made by new players were of a very simple nature and should have been answered by the NPE but had to be answered by knowledgeable players who took the time to do so.
The scroll rate of the channel because of the amount of questions was at times far to fast for the questioner to get a satisfactory answer.
The channel turning off after 30 days I think is to short and should extend for maybe 60 days or there should be proper directions to an alternative channel for new players to carry on getting help.

There is no real way of discerning if a new player is an actual new player or someone like me who was starting a new account to add to their 'portfolio' of accounts. This can cause confusion to a new player who thinks they are talking to someone of the same level as them but find the recipient is in fact far above them in knowledge.

There were on occasion players offering dubious 'lets fleet up and kill Dragon' messages to new players that were really 'lets fleet up so I can kill you for free' messages, this is a sure way of frighting off a new player.

The biggest turn off for new players is the way the help channel closes and they are left with nothing, no one talks in local any more, no or very few people will offer them help, there is no recruitment channel dedicated to the new player just a general recruitment channel. No instructions on how to join other channels and if they do the reception by others in those channels are lets say less than a welcome one.

The NPE just stops,the end, many just quit at this point, either driven out by the leet brigade who kill for the lutz or so confused by all the differing 'advise' they just cant take it all in and sort the good from the bad, (they wouldn't know the good or bad anyway they haven't played long enough).

How to fix it I have no idea, but maybe if people started communicating again it might help.

Sounds like you want to turn it into a WoW in space. I don't give a crap about certificates that's something the kids like so they feel they're actually achieving something. When achievements were introduced to WoW it pretty much ruined that game overnight.

In the case of WoW again, titles and ranks never promoted world PvP (before instanced PvP) all it promoted was world ganking as people were collecting kills just for the title/rank. Once instanced PvP was introduced world PvP (ganking) was vastly reduced as it was quicker to collect kills in the instances (battlegrounds).

Linking certificates to rewards will do nothing for EVE except to ensure people just go kill collecting (similar to killmails except there would be even more reason to just gank), so there will be no meaningful PvP.



Because those sites can place cookies on your system, one did with me that led to a security breech some years back. Who regulates those sites are they trustworthy what's their security like. There's a risk with player run sites, just depends if you want to take that risk, I've been bitten once so I tend not to trust them.

What you said makes no sense in relation to my post.



Eve doesn't require alt scouts or alt tackle. So I don't complain that it does.


The booster alts however are becoming required if you want to be competitive. You don't need to get upset just because you use them. I don't blame you - its a huge advantage. I'm training one myself. But certainly if I knew the game was going to force me down this path I probably would not have installed it.

Nevertheless ask new players what they think about starting into a game where you will be at a severe disadvantage if you do not dual box these alts. Ask it however you want you don't have to use my wording - if that is your issue.

Risk aversion does not equate necessity.

NoRly.

Empire mining was never the path to uber riches, not even in the good old days. Back in '07, hi-sec ores were stuck in the 60-75 ISK/m3 range, with Omber as the standout at about 100 ISK/m3. Tritanium used to be worth about 2 ISK and change, as people could just buy NPC-sold shuttles in bulk and melt them for Tritanium needs.

This is the first time in 5 years that hi-sec ores have gotten above 120 ISK/m3 and stayed there for more then a week or two.

It's actually far easier now for a new player to make a few hundred million by their 3rd month, maybe even a billion ISK by month 3 if they apply themselves. Between PI planets (which are low-skill, low capital, and low risk) and the far greater ease of mission running or doing incursions in a battlecruiser, plus all the extra ISK sloshing around in the market, it's just not hard for a new player to earn ISKies.

Right now unless you have a friend throwing isk at you. EVE is absolutely horrid for the new player.

A friend who had been in from beta got me in. I was just about ready to call it quits when he gave me some ships and helping me fit them. Had that not happened I would likely have just tried this real life thing

They have GOT to get into a group ASAP. Yet it is hard to get into a good group because of game mechanics that gives spiez and thieves a huge advantage.

I propose some changes.

#1 Implementation of http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Possibly_Practical_POS_Performance_Proposal_%28CSM%29 Especially the parts about allowing far better seperation so that people can be given space in POS without having to risk other folk's stuff.

#2 Remove the ability to train or use ECM, Scramble, or webbing for 30 days from start of character. Before you freak out many treat new players with suspect because of blue spi direct action. Noobs should not be out on the front likes as tackle frigs in their first 30. They need time to take it all in! And the benefit of more into better corps outweighs your need for cannon fodder. Make it harder to make throwaway spi alts!

#3 Moar and different incursions replacing missions altogether. Solo content in EVE sucks! It always has and always will. Make it so noobs banding together will always beat lvl 1-3 missions and the full on incursions obviously beating 4.

#4 Get rid of player mining. It sucks and full of bots. It cant be saved so mise well make it something passive to fight over.

#5 Reward bot reports that lead to an actual ban. So that bot hunting can be something noobs can make isk from.

1) From what I see, that sounds just fine.

2) No. Tackle is one of the few useful things a noob can do, and you want to take that away from them? Like we bring noobs to fights for the awesome DPS of their Rifters...

3) No. Just no. ISK faucets of this proportion are just bad.

4) That would have been a great idea except for the actual content of the idea. Eve is player-driven. Mining needs an overhaul, not to be replaced by passive harvesting. Passive faucets need to be limited and eliminated not expanded upon and given to anybody who wants to earn some extra ISK. Market orders are the obvious exception to this sentiment. Want passive ISK, train some marketing skills.

5) This will never happen because it encroaches too closely upon CCP's policy regarding No Name and Shame, which they are pretty much incontrovertibly opposed to changing. Besides, "Bot Hunter" should never, ever, be a profession that a serious game company endorses within the context of their game, unless it's a cyberpunk game where you actually hunt robots.

According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful?

Straight from the horse's mouth. I feel your pain, and wish I had better advice than "good luck."

Good luck.