EVE General Discussion

Meta does alot of damage to EVE in terms of new people. We are forced to assume every noob is an alt trying to destroy our corp/ alliance and history has shown that to be the case all too often.

I'm pretty sure that all MMOs lose a certain proportion of new players.

Introduce a maximum time limit for being in starter NPC corps.

You could leave at day 0 for a real corp, but you would be booted after a certain period. Booted members would end up in a scrapyard corp, that can be decced and has high taxes, and terrible standings to other factions.

People who aren't social enough to apply to a real corp could work toward graduation via improved certificates system. I'd like to see certificates that reward pilot activity, in addition to the skill-based certificates. Graduated pilots would get to choose from different NPC corps, with lower taxes and other benefits (compared to the failure corps), but these too would be wardeccable.

Main idea is to protect new players from the detrimental influence of eternal mission runner -npc corp people, and also offer these guys motivation to lift their game.

Exactly.

I think the biggest problem is that NPC corps make new players think that EVE is about shooting the same old red crosses year after year, that lowsec is a horrible place and all nullsec is controlled by EVIL GOONS.

If they believe this, they completely miss out on everything that is wonderful about the whole game.

Make the new player experience (tutorials) work like they should + make PVE more exiting + improve the UI/HUD = Job done.

That.

Forcing people to do anything is not normally a good idea.

If you force people into a crap NPC corp and war-dec them constantly then they just won't stay in-game. People don't have to put up with crap and most are not willing to do so.

Player corps in general are their own worst enemies, because they over inflate what their corps are like, they insist on knowing too much about characters, some insist on people signing up to external websites.

Also the problem with the NPC corps is that it's even less likely people want to experiment with player corps because once leaving the starter NPC corps you can't get back to them. Get rid of the fallout NPC corps and make it so you can get back to the starter corps and you might find people willing to experiment a bit more. Assuming player corps have not isolated themselves with sp requirements.

Another problem is a lot of corps (decent corps) are not very new player friendly, there are exceptions of course (i.e. E-UNI).
In WoW when people join guilds and they join a bad one (plenty of those), they quite often stop using that character and just leave it dead in the guild and make a new charater or change servers. I'm sure that must happen here to a lesser degree although here they're just as likely to leave the game as there are no other servers to try.

People who enjoy PvP is a minority of the MMO gamer population.

In other MMOs, most people play on non-PvP servers.

I think people who come to Eve due so for the sci-fi theme. Once they learn its PvP anywhere any time some of them leave.

There's your churn.

In short, because Eve does not offer a non-PvP option those players who prefer to not engage in PvP leave quickly.

Well we have to live with that but at least it doesn't spoil the game for the rest of us.

Someone else have to lose high skilled character in order for someone else to gain it.

The fact they need almost a year of strict training to be able to fly/fit properly their ship and do decent stuff other than fly around in rifters and pin stuff?
Actually there is none, try to build an alt (no one knows it's yours) put it in some belt mining with newb skills.
Your alt will not be able to get enough isk to replace his ship and buy his skills that he's already ganked.
When he's not ganked, he's about to be corp scamed.
So who in his right mind would stick around after being victim of those 2 CCP sponsored activities? -one day you have a thx mail from CCP because you gave them money to play their game and the other you have a GM telling you that getting scamed, ganked, stolen, is normal in Eve



1st Noobs don't have access to incursions by any means and isk flow activities in eve, but the older players that are those already organised and logistics/time capable to run all day long incursion sites.

2nd what drives any decent player from whatever game is when he can't build faster than he looses and when something time consuming doesn't offer any kind of reward (training skills)
And the other thing that drives them away is when everyone tells you that you need a good 30M sp character to start having fun doing somethinng else than pin stuff with rifters, you can buy those characters from someone with real money on the internet or corp forums but the best way is with plex ,but before you need to buy GTC's...ho w8 !!



The bigger devaluing item in the game is not bounty or lp's, it's moon goo. You should know something about it right?



None for many other reasons than those you said or I think or many others can spew around. Fact is that playing Eve never turns you back any kind of reward for the time you spent playing it or building stuff.
Eve is a game for sadistic disturbed people that love to interact with masochist disturbed people. Just like everyone around.