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Tangodude
Star One Corp
#101 - 2012-03-12 08:48:41 UTC
Andski wrote:
Tangodude wrote:
Andski wrote:
Tangodude wrote:
I got suicide ganked yesterday. Delightful experience. Funny now but wasn't impressed at the time. My tengu got hit by 5 thrashers and a rupture. Pilots had -9.x type sec status. Killboard revealed they ganked 2 other tengus in the preceeding hour. Neither had a single faction mod. I had minimal faction gear.

It appears players (with bad sec status) can take out a series of ships in high sec with essentially no penalty.

So why is it called high sec? How about a name change (or penalty)? 'Gank sec' lol?

I've lost SP in pvp and pve but losing SP to a suicide gank is rude.

Suicide ganking isn't combat. It shouldn't boost kill records. Moreover, if the target hasn't heard of suicide ganking then it isn't even pvp.

Well, Im off to buy a thrasher.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12704064

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.



Brief but pointless


I think I drove the point home, actually. You're whining about losing your 1b Tengu (awful fit btw) to suicide gankers because, much like the rest of the highsec welfare queens, you felt that it's perfectly safe because Concord is supposed to protect you. That turned out not to be the case, and you proceeded to make a post about it.


I can replace it dozens of times over. The point was it's called high sec and there was no penalty for taking out 3 tengus. It's a contradiction, so the name high sec is misleading.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#102 - 2012-03-12 08:58:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
CCP, do something about the whinebaby problem!

I can't read the forums without some high-sec whale crybaby blathering about how PVP has interfered with their PVE paradise.

It doesn't matter that there are other forums on the internet that I could read, I want to read these forums. Clearly I should not be getting bombarded by whines about the lack of safety in highsec, since this is a very well-advertised PVP game. But no! Every time I go to the forum I see whines about high-sec!

This is bordering on a crimewave! Bawlbabies are spreading vitriol on the forums at an astonishing rate bordering on libelous slander! Oh noes! Soon it won't even be safe to post here anymore!

Seriously, this post has more content above this paragraph than the OP's entire rant. Complaining about getting scanned is utterly ridiculous. And complaining that you can't market goods because Jita is "closed off" by gankers is pretty damned laughable.

There are several (and I mean several) other hubs. Amarr, Dodixie, Hek, Oursulaert, Rens, Tash-Murkon Prime, to name a few.

Fly an Orca. Go somewhere else. ****, at least think about what you could do differently instead of coming on here and basically acting like a six year old with a knee-jerk tattle-tale reaction.

Tangodude wrote:
I can replace it dozens of times over. The point was it's called high sec and there was no penalty for taking out 3 tengus. It's a contradiction, so the name high sec is misleading.


ORLY? No penalty?!? They didn't lose ships? Standings? Security status? Were they not given a GCC and detained for 15 minutes from flying a ship?

CCP really needs to fix that, then!

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-03-12 09:02:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Tangodude wrote:
I can replace it dozens of times over. The point was it's called high sec and there was no penalty for taking out 3 tengus. It's a contradiction, so the name high sec is misleading.


The penalty for whacking those tengus was a ship loss and a sec status penalty. Suicide ganking with a sec status below -5 is not as easy as you think it is. You are simply enraged at the fact that it is possible, and you ignored the 5 dudes with red skulls in local.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tangodude
Star One Corp
#104 - 2012-03-12 09:05:28 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
CCP, do something about the whinebaby problem!

I can't read the forums without some high-sec whale crybaby blathering about how PVP has interfered with their PVE paradise.

It doesn't matter that there are other forums on the internet that I could read, I want to read these forums. Clearly I should not be getting bombarded by whines about the lack of safety in highsec, since this is a very well-advertised PVP game. But no! Every time I go to the forum I see whines about high-sec!

This is bordering on a crimewave! Bawlbabies are spreading vitriol on the forums at an astonishing rate bordering on libelous slander! Oh noes! Soon it won't even be safe to post here anymore!

Seriously, this post has more content above this paragraph than the OP's entire rant. Complaining about getting scanned is utterly ridiculous. And complaining that you can't market goods because Jita is "closed off" by gankers is pretty damned laughable.

There are several (and I mean several) other hubs. Amarr, Dodixie, Hek, Oursulaert, Rens, Tash-Murkon Prime, to name a few.

Fly an Orca. Go somewhere else. ****, at least think about what you could do differently instead of coming on here and basically acting like a six year old with a knee-jerk tattle-tale reaction.

Tangodude wrote:
I can replace it dozens of times over. The point was it's called high sec and there was no penalty for taking out 3 tengus. It's a contradiction, so the name high sec is misleading.


ORLY? No penalty?!? They didn't lose ships? Standings? Security status? Were they not given a GCC and detained for 15 minutes from flying a ship?

CCP really needs to fix that, then!


Can't you read. The ships were worth a few mil each. Throwaways. Sec status was -9.x. I didn't ask ccp to do anything about it.
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#105 - 2012-03-12 09:06:44 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
CCP, do something about the whinebaby problem!

I can't read the forums without some high-sec whale crybaby blathering about how PVP has interfered with their PVE paradise.

It doesn't matter that there are other forums on the internet that I could read, I want to read these forums. Clearly I should not be getting bombarded by whines about the lack of safety in highsec, since this is a very well-advertised PVP game. But no! Every time I go to the forum I see whines about high-sec!

This is bordering on a crimewave! Bawlbabies are spreading vitriol on the forums at an astonishing rate bordering on libelous slander! Oh noes! Soon it won't even be safe to post here anymore!

Seriously, this post has more content above this paragraph than the OP's entire rant. Complaining about getting scanned is utterly ridiculous. And complaining that you can't market goods because Jita is "closed off" by gankers is pretty damned laughable.

There are several (and I mean several) other hubs. Amarr, Dodixie, Hek, Oursulaert, Rens, Tash-Murkon Prime, to name a few.

Fly an Orca. Go somewhere else. ****, at least think about what you could do differently instead of coming on here and basically acting like a six year old with a knee-jerk tattle-tale reaction.

Tangodude wrote:
I can replace it dozens of times over. The point was it's called high sec and there was no penalty for taking out 3 tengus. It's a contradiction, so the name high sec is misleading.


ORLY? No penalty?!? They didn't lose ships? Standings? Security status? Were they not given a GCC and detained for 15 minutes from flying a ship?

CCP really needs to fix that, then!


I think I love you.
Cosmos Serendipity
BRAHMA CORP
#106 - 2012-03-12 09:07:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:


I've been in null, lived there for awhile, it was pretty safe in alliance held space.....or are you saying Goons now operate on NRDS? If not, why not?


It is only safe in null sec so long as the people make it safe.


Agreed, and you know who is going to try to kill you.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#107 - 2012-03-12 09:12:03 UTC
Tangodude wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
CCP, do something about the whinebaby problem!

I can't read the forums without some high-sec whale crybaby blathering about how PVP has interfered with their PVE paradise.

It doesn't matter that there are other forums on the internet that I could read, I want to read these forums. Clearly I should not be getting bombarded by whines about the lack of safety in highsec, since this is a very well-advertised PVP game. But no! Every time I go to the forum I see whines about high-sec!

This is bordering on a crimewave! Bawlbabies are spreading vitriol on the forums at an astonishing rate bordering on libelous slander! Oh noes! Soon it won't even be safe to post here anymore!

Seriously, this post has more content above this paragraph than the OP's entire rant. Complaining about getting scanned is utterly ridiculous. And complaining that you can't market goods because Jita is "closed off" by gankers is pretty damned laughable.

There are several (and I mean several) other hubs. Amarr, Dodixie, Hek, Oursulaert, Rens, Tash-Murkon Prime, to name a few.

Fly an Orca. Go somewhere else. ****, at least think about what you could do differently instead of coming on here and basically acting like a six year old with a knee-jerk tattle-tale reaction.

Tangodude wrote:
I can replace it dozens of times over. The point was it's called high sec and there was no penalty for taking out 3 tengus. It's a contradiction, so the name high sec is misleading.


ORLY? No penalty?!? They didn't lose ships? Standings? Security status? Were they not given a GCC and detained for 15 minutes from flying a ship?

CCP really needs to fix that, then!


Can't you read. The ships were worth a few mil each. Throwaways. Sec status was -9.x. I didn't ask ccp to do anything about it.


Obviously your Tengu was a throwaway, too. I bet you toss and turn at night knowing it was destroyed for a paltry few million ISK. I bet you thought your faction booster made it teh uberz.

Besides, you didn't answer all my questions. Did they lose standings? Yes. Were they detained? Yes.

Thanks.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#108 - 2012-03-12 09:13:19 UTC
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:


I've been in null, lived there for awhile, it was pretty safe in alliance held space.....or are you saying Goons now operate on NRDS? If not, why not?


It is only safe in null sec so long as the people make it safe.


Agreed, and you know who is going to try to kill you.


You, sir, have obviously never heard of awoxing.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-03-12 09:13:27 UTC
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:


I've been in null, lived there for awhile, it was pretty safe in alliance held space.....or are you saying Goons now operate on NRDS? If not, why not?


It is only safe in null sec so long as the people make it safe.


Agreed, and you know who is going to try to kill you.


yes because game mechanics prevent you from aggressing players blue to you

oh wait, look who pointed this guy: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12653131

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tangodude
Star One Corp
#110 - 2012-03-12 09:22:51 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Tangodude wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
CCP, do something about the whinebaby problem!

I can't read the forums without some high-sec whale crybaby blathering about how PVP has interfered with their PVE paradise.

It doesn't matter that there are other forums on the internet that I could read, I want to read these forums. Clearly I should not be getting bombarded by whines about the lack of safety in highsec, since this is a very well-advertised PVP game. But no! Every time I go to the forum I see whines about high-sec!

This is bordering on a crimewave! Bawlbabies are spreading vitriol on the forums at an astonishing rate bordering on libelous slander! Oh noes! Soon it won't even be safe to post here anymore!

Seriously, this post has more content above this paragraph than the OP's entire rant. Complaining about getting scanned is utterly ridiculous. And complaining that you can't market goods because Jita is "closed off" by gankers is pretty damned laughable.

There are several (and I mean several) other hubs. Amarr, Dodixie, Hek, Oursulaert, Rens, Tash-Murkon Prime, to name a few.

Fly an Orca. Go somewhere else. ****, at least think about what you could do differently instead of coming on here and basically acting like a six year old with a knee-jerk tattle-tale reaction.

Tangodude wrote:
I can replace it dozens of times over. The point was it's called high sec and there was no penalty for taking out 3 tengus. It's a contradiction, so the name high sec is misleading.


ORLY? No penalty?!? They didn't lose ships? Standings? Security status? Were they not given a GCC and detained for 15 minutes from flying a ship?

CCP really needs to fix that, then!


Can't you read. The ships were worth a few mil each. Throwaways. Sec status was -9.x. I didn't ask ccp to do anything about it.


Obviously your Tengu was a throwaway, too. I bet you toss and turn at night knowing it was destroyed for a paltry few million ISK. I bet you thought your faction booster made it teh uberz.

Besides, you didn't answer all my questions. Did they lose standings? Yes. Were they detained? Yes.

Thanks.


It's very clear to me now, you can't have an intelligent discussion here
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#111 - 2012-03-12 09:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Tangodude wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Tangodude wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
CCP, do something about the whinebaby problem!

I can't read the forums without some high-sec whale crybaby blathering about how PVP has interfered with their PVE paradise.

It doesn't matter that there are other forums on the internet that I could read, I want to read these forums. Clearly I should not be getting bombarded by whines about the lack of safety in highsec, since this is a very well-advertised PVP game. But no! Every time I go to the forum I see whines about high-sec!

This is bordering on a crimewave! Bawlbabies are spreading vitriol on the forums at an astonishing rate bordering on libelous slander! Oh noes! Soon it won't even be safe to post here anymore!

Seriously, this post has more content above this paragraph than the OP's entire rant. Complaining about getting scanned is utterly ridiculous. And complaining that you can't market goods because Jita is "closed off" by gankers is pretty damned laughable.

There are several (and I mean several) other hubs. Amarr, Dodixie, Hek, Oursulaert, Rens, Tash-Murkon Prime, to name a few.

Fly an Orca. Go somewhere else. ****, at least think about what you could do differently instead of coming on here and basically acting like a six year old with a knee-jerk tattle-tale reaction.

Tangodude wrote:
I can replace it dozens of times over. The point was it's called high sec and there was no penalty for taking out 3 tengus. It's a contradiction, so the name high sec is misleading.


ORLY? No penalty?!? They didn't lose ships? Standings? Security status? Were they not given a GCC and detained for 15 minutes from flying a ship?

CCP really needs to fix that, then!


Can't you read. The ships were worth a few mil each. Throwaways. Sec status was -9.x. I didn't ask ccp to do anything about it.


Obviously your Tengu was a throwaway, too. I bet you toss and turn at night knowing it was destroyed for a paltry few million ISK. I bet you thought your faction booster made it teh uberz.

Besides, you didn't answer all my questions. Did they lose standings? Yes. Were they detained? Yes.

Thanks.


It's very clear to me now, I can't have an intelligent discussion here


Fixed that for you. Also:

Not when you don't bring any to the table, no.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Tenebrae Syrennis
Abattoir Research and Development
#112 - 2012-03-12 10:04:05 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
Suicide ganking is so prevalent because it's the ONLY viable form of PvP left in highsec.

The wardec mechanics have been broken for years and the GMs let it go to trash.

How do you kill someone in highsec? Wardec is no longer a viable option.
So what are you left with? Suicide ganking.


^^This^^

You should be more careful what you wish for in future, carebears:

Because you might just get it.

I have come to eat all your brains.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#113 - 2012-03-12 10:04:43 UTC
Pink Leaf wrote:
Simple, if people want pvp then go to low-sec. High-sec is suppose to be a safe haven for all those that want to play the none-pvp side of eve.
You've got that 100% wrong. It's actually the exact opposite: Highsec is supposed to be a PvP arena, and if you don't want to PvP, you should get out of highsec. Of course, since low- and nullsec are pvp arenas as well, this rather leaves the question of where you should get out to. The answer is rather simple: there is no non-pvp side of EVE — if you want one, I would suggest playing on sisi, where unprovoked attacks actually aren't (entirely) allowed.

Jas Dor wrote:
Here's a quick list of things that can no longer be moved by the freighterload


Antimatter Charge M = 3920 isk/m3 (using lowest Forge price).
EMP M = 3920 ism/m3 (give or take a couple of isk).
Hammerhead I = 2889 isk/m3

The gank limit is currently around 1000isk m/3 (For 700mil in drop from 700K of cargohold).

When a freighter can not move a full cargohold of T1 ammo or T1 drones something has gone horribly wrong.
Good thing, then, that a freighter can move a full cargoholds of T1 ammo or T1 drones without any issues. The problem here is that your numbers are nonsense. First of all, for a 700M drop from 700k cargo hold, the cargo has to be worth 2000 ISK/m³. Second of all, even at that price, you're looking at 200M profit split over 10–15 people. That's less than 20M profit per person, so it's not going to happen at that price either. Thirdly, even at 4k ISK/m³ , having a freighter of your own sitting around to get all that loot is a bad idea — it's too slow to catch up to the semi-random position of the wreck (not just where it spawns, but where the ship lands), and it is itself an easy target for ganks — so you're looking at filling up maybe 30-40k worth of loot space in something far nippier, which means we're back to only earning 160M profit (10-15M per person) so it's still not going to happen. At 8,000 ISK/m³, we're getting close to where it might be conceivably become a worth-while and somewhat profitable effort, and even then, it's not a good return on investment.

So let's bump that number to 16,000 ISK/m³ (that's 10bn+ for a full freighter) to ensure that you are a 100% worth-while target, and see what you can find that's worth that much…

Tangodude wrote:
It appears players (with bad sec status) can take out a series of ships in high sec with essentially no penalty.

So why is it called high sec? How about a name change (or penalty)? 'Gank sec' lol?

I've lost SP in pvp and pve but losing SP to a suicide gank is rude.

Suicide ganking isn't combat. It shouldn't boost kill records. Moreover, if the target hasn't heard of suicide ganking then it isn't even pvp.
As others have pointed out, you were flying one of the flimsiest ships in the game so very little in the way of valuable cargo or fittings is required to make up for the dirt-cheap ships needed to get the kill. The problem isn't that there are no penalties — it's that you are an easy target and that you've decided to waive the penalties. You are the one who's supposed to deliver a large portion of those penalties, and if you choose not to, then you have kind of forfeited your right to complain that there are none…

Why is it called highsec? Because its defining feature (that aggression costs) attempts to appeal to people's miserliness to make them reticent to attack other players for no good reason, and as a result of this reticence, security is higher in this portion of space than in the other portions. Now, if you fly a ship that ensures that there will be no foreseeable loss (or, worse, a predictable gain) from the attack, and also ensure that there will be no foreseeable loss in the future either, by give the perception of belonging to a set of players that will not take revenge, then you have broken down all the barriers that highsec puts up to dissuade people from attacking you. You have created your own little pocked of personal low-sec.

The name “highsec” is not misleading — it's just that you approach living in it in a way that means it no longer applies to you. Change your flying style, change your tactics, change your attitude, and suddenly it will.

Oh, and unless you spontaneously combust just because someone locks your ship, it most certainly is combat. Your participation (and most certainly not your willingness to participate) isn't really a relevant factor.
Tenebrae Syrennis
Abattoir Research and Development
#114 - 2012-03-12 10:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenebrae Syrennis
Derpity-derp, double-post.

I have come to eat all your brains.
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#115 - 2012-03-12 10:09:59 UTC
I never was targeted when manualy piloted, pluse use orca 200k ehp is dificul to gang and drops 0 loot.
Tenebrae Syrennis
Abattoir Research and Development
#116 - 2012-03-12 10:14:27 UTC
Schmacos tryne wrote:
An I5 can haul more then 40kM3... Don't need an Orca.


And can be one-shotted by an ArtyNado--so yes, please use the Itty VTwisted

I have come to eat all your brains.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#117 - 2012-03-12 10:19:25 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:


I've been in null, lived there for awhile, it was pretty safe in alliance held space.....or are you saying Goons now operate on NRDS? If not, why not?


It is only safe in null sec so long as the people make it safe.


Agreed, and you know who is going to try to kill you.


You, sir, have obviously never heard of awoxing.


Or TestStraight
Cosmos Serendipity
BRAHMA CORP
#118 - 2012-03-12 10:23:21 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:


I've been in null, lived there for awhile, it was pretty safe in alliance held space.....or are you saying Goons now operate on NRDS? If not, why not?


It is only safe in null sec so long as the people make it safe.


Agreed, and you know who is going to try to kill you.


You, sir, have obviously never heard of awoxing.



I'll admit, I haven't been in game in awhile and had not heard of that term, it looks like meta-gaming to me. (I have my own opinion about that, but thats another discussion)

There used to be many null alliances and corps that allowed noob pilots and unexperienced pvp'ers to hang out in their systems, learn PvP getting used to the risk vs reward, but that was mostly destroyed during the great wars. People were welcomed as long as they weren't d!cks. (ISS for example)

After that people tended to huddle in high sec more, and differen't aspects of the game became broken as a result.

So now every solution creates a problem else where, so fixes have to be applied to fixes. So who is to blame for differen't mechanics being broken?

Now note: I am not advocating PvP free as some are. I am just adding to the discussion on what could be done to get people into 0.0 to 0.4 so there is more pew pew
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#119 - 2012-03-12 10:31:07 UTC
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:
Now note: I am not advocating PvP free as some are. I am just adding to the discussion on what could be done to get people into 0.0 to 0.4 so there is more pew pew

Simple: increase the amount of pew-pew in highsec so the move to low/null won't feel as such a great leap… Blink
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#120 - 2012-03-12 10:42:42 UTC
Very simple solution to all this ganking nonsense and hullabaloo, which will make all of EVE a safer and happier place.

Reset TEST.

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