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once again - removal of tiers is good and all, but there are some conserns. A qick stare on line roles you propose - shows that basicly what you propose is well known paladin, rogue, archer and buffer - roles. Which is quite disturbing becouse i dont want to have la2 is spare or something like that. And franly this whole bombardment stuff is utter bullshit - people shot other people to kill not to scare away or bore opponent to death while cruize missiles fly 200+ km

Back to roles - what i would like to see and what makes sence to me is broader roles than you have for t2 ships - you cann see and you would see that every unused ship have narrow role - pilgrim - close ranged, solo recon, munin - long range, arty hac. and every used ship - have roader role: rapier - good in small and large gangs, armor and shield tanked, have range, zealot - great range with close range and long range weapons, great tank when armor tanked but its possible to shield tank it. (Zealot and legion is overpowered becouse it have 2-3 awesome range, damage and tracking with pulse weapons). i dont want ships that can do only one thing good, especially if that thing is something ccp thought is a good idea to do with ship

Roles are olrady there in tier ships all you have to do is look how and why it is used and give others abilities to compete with it. I'm not talking about drake - if speaking about bc, but hurricane instead - utility, versality, good agility and damage at close range, possible to fit long range variant. Dominix and scorpion show that tier 1 bs - may be a good platform for drone + e-war bs for all races - being used as solo close range ship and/or e-war support bigger fleets. Each ship must have 2-3 purpose

Its also obvious that one line of roles for all shipsizes is not so smart when you think about it - ship of the line - its battleship anything smaller thrying to overtank and outdamage the opposition would look quite bizzare, something fast and agile - its clearly not a battleship - becouse why would anyone would fly a vagabond if the is something fast like a machariel (but fot t1 ship price)? When you want to tackle something you take inti - not cruiser or bs, when you keep something tackled you take recon - so all roles and purposes are already there, no need to invent wheel and paint everyone in 4 colors - that would lead to gedradation of pvp in eve, you would lose motivation and there (again) wont be any balancing in next 4 years

Last but not least concern is... balance. You plan to level the field for all ships but weapons and tank - are not balanced. Range issues - 70 km repair range is too much and unlike e-war stack very well, 1400 have too much alpha, scortch m and l have too much range and damage, heavy missiles fly too far and hit better than they should. armor tanked ships lack mobility shield tanked ships enjoy, gang bonuses give too much advantage (and cloaked bubble-proof bonus giving t3's on spots are much worse than 200km falcons)- all that would make proper balancing between diferent shiptypes and races next to impossible. So i think it would be a good idea to fix all this before work on rewamping cruisers and bs's.

So what you are saying is that you want only one race in eve? Sounds a bit boring tbh...
The racial ship skills are the only things that makes the 4 races. without it we have one race with different guns.

Noticed something odd in there...a bit off topic, but how come the Hyperion is labeled as a slow, heavy "ship of the line", but the the mega is labeled as a faster attack vessel, despite the hyperion being the more mobile of the two? Also, unlike the mega, the hyperion is specifically geared for small, quick, close range engagements...it's even purposefully gimped in some areas to prevent it from being good in fleet fights, unlike the mega, which does relatively fine in large engagements in the exact roles described in the "ship of the line" bit. What have I missed here?




Also:
"Or the Gallente drone and dampening abilities stop with the Exequror?"

The exequror has a bonus to neither of those...?

This is what worries me about the people balancing this game

The examples above are kinda bad, the biggest problem that I see is that you don't give the proper role to missile & drone users. You see these weapon systems have delayed damage, but at the same time the damage is constant over the entire range. The only way for this type of damage to be useful is either having the tank necessary to survive long enough to apply your damage (Drake) or just kite it through massive speed and engagement range (Tengu, Ishkur).

Here are my current thoughts:


[Combat] *tank based*
Line Combat (direct DPS, good buffer tank, poor mobility)
Bombardment (delayed DPS, good constant tank, poor mobility)
Brawler (short DPS, good tank, poor mobility)


[Attack] *speed based*
Assault (great short DPS, poor tank, good mobility)
Artillery (direct long DPS, poor tank, good mobility)
Kiter (delayed long DPS, average tank, good mobility)


[Support] speed or tank
Defense Support (poor damage, good tank or mobility)
EW Support (poor damage, good tank or mobility)
Command Support (average damage, good tank or mobility)
Tackling Support (average damage, cloak or good mobility)




ps. To really be able to balance out EW, CCP needs to move EW modules to the high slots. So that all races have to choose between weapons or EW.

i do not know how i feel about that. has its pros for sure.
but just imagine a cane, with 6 autocannons, only dmg-mods in the lows and a shield tank. would leave two highs for e-war, with useful tank and a lot of dmg.
scarry....
that would require delicate balancing with cpu and pg. ewar in mediums collides directly with shield tank and while armor tank leaves space for ewar, it reduces the possibilities of using dmg-mods.

This makes total sense.

Here's a simple approach to tier ships.

Each tier allows one module spot to be relocated i.e high to low, mid to high , etc..

tier 1, allows player to move 1 module
tier 2, allows player to move 2 module
tier 3, allows player to move 3 module

Simple and refreshing. Players will now have much more diversity in fitting ships allowing seasoned pilots greater challenges and options on the battlefield.


that is my 2 cents...

The Brutix says hi.

Great, catergorizing ships by roles.

How it used to be
- In fleet engagement
FC had to carefully calculate the hostile fleet composition, judging by their logi and their support. Since a ship like drake can be just as much long range or short range, and can be mobile or slow. The uncertainity is what makes the fleet intel vital, and fleet fight exciting. There is so many factors to play, and the one who can calculate the most factor into the fight shall be victorious.
- In skirmishes
Intel reported a 8 man fleet consists of vagas and canes with sabre and rapier. It's a composition that you don't take lightly with. Because you never know if the cane is armor fit or shield fit, or vaga is ab fit or mwd fit. They can be tanky or fast and still carry out a good mid range dps, and massive close range dps. A general solution is either to pick them off gate, split them between system, or out blob them. BUT YOU NEVER KNOW FOR SURE, what they might do.

-In solo pvp
You saw a lone cane flying around, you are in a dramiel, and you think "pffff, I got this *****.", you tackle the cane, and BOOM WEBED AND SCRAMED LIKE A MOTHERF***KER, you thought, "trololol a armor cane", and next thing you know the cane is waving at your pod.

or your in a vaga, and you saw a lone phantasm flying through. and again you thought "pffft, I got this *****!!" you burns toward the phantasm, and point, and start shooting, everything is going so well you wonder why phantasm was ever in production. UNTIL HE TURNS ON HIS DUAL TRACKING DISRUPTOR AND ORBIT YOUR SHIP AT 24KM, next thing you heard is the alarm sound for your hull breach. (btw that's me in the phantasm, hasn't lose to any ship that use guns solo.)

What's going to happen?
- In fleet engagement.
FC recive intels on enemy ship "role", for example and fleet of "combat ships. FC can make instant decision on how to engage them. Because they can only do certain rolls effectivly, and order the fleet to stay the F away from them while picking out their Logistic and Ewars one by one.

- In skirmishes
You saw a small skirmish fleet on intel channel and their ships to be in roles that are meant for quick skirmishes. AND SINCE THERE IS NO OTHER WAY THIS SHIP WOULD FLY FOR THEIR ROLE. You warp a onyx into them with 3 or 4 zealot at 50k off with a couple hyena, boom a dead skirmish fleet. Or a drag bubble with snipers like sebo oracle, and hyena. BOOM ANOTHER DEAD F****ING FLEET.

-In solo pvp
pfff, solo pvp would be extinct, since your ship ROLE is predetermined. The result is also predetermined based on the proper counter ship ROLE and tactics.

And in case of mixed roles in a fleet composition. It's still gonna be easy to figure out how every single one of the hostile ship is going to perform based on their ROLEs, and therefore apply proper tactics into target calling and counter maneuvering.