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Actually if Dessies and BC's become racial then you'll have to train a ton crap more skills than you'll recuperate.
I've got 3 races using Dessie and BC's so this means that whatever SP I get reimbursed, accordingly to your calculations, this means that I'll have to completely train from the scratch 2 dessie/BC races?

I don't think CCP didn't figured this out on the contrary, I'm very sure that once again and for the greater good of this game this will be implemented and once again Malcanis law will be applied, this means you'll get more sp to cover the whole races ships you could already fly before.

Go read the details on the third link of the first post.

…effectively reducing a year-long (at the very least) skill plan by 20 days. The difference is negligible once you include all the stuff required to actually make the capships do anything other than sit very still in space.

That would seem to make sense.... either which way, it's still a 4.5m boost to the level of SP that I currently have on this character... Quite honestly, I think I'd prefer the reimbursement of the 6m SP as I dont tend to use Dessy / BC hulls much these days. Then again, beggars can't be choosers.

I don't know… I think that a sudden SP increase is a quite suitable punishment for not having to train the skills.

In fact, come to think of it, I need to find some kind of suitable dummy skill to stick into EFT to check whether the finished Tippia will still fit in the target clone level. It also reminds me of the other interesting change this will bring: we are now given the additional choice of trying to keep our clones lean to keep those costs down — even for older characters, there's a valuable choice to be made that wasn't available before and which brings benefits and drawbacks to each side.

Wow the things people rage about.

Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve is printing more money out of nothing driving up prices as a result of dollar devaluation causing inflation, the USA has SOF in Syria aiding elements of Al Queda while the spokesperson for military intervention was caught cuing fake gunfire in the background during in interview with CNN, the house of representatives is passing laws to limit free speech and already passed the NDAA ensuring you can be detained by the military indefinitely without a trial (no judge no jury) and the G-8 summit was moved off to Camp David indicating that they are planning the next mideast war.

But no, let's all rage about CCP wanting to rebalance ship skills and SP trees.

When I am half starved half worked to death in whatever they call the camp this time around (there will never be concentration camps in the USA, they will simply call them something else and that ploy will actually work), and someone says to me: "Man, CCP messing with those destroyer SPs - really bothers me", I am probably going to rip his face off and stuff it up his ass.


Get a life you morons.

You are completely wrong. If CCP reimburses skill points for the battlecruiser (and destroyer) skills, you will not have enough SP to continue to fly the ships you need. If they simply convert those skills to the racial equivalent of the prerequisites, you will.

SP reimbursement doesn't account for the SP required for multiple racial ship types. If you get reimbursed BC V you get 1,536,000 SP. If you've trained Command Ships, multiple racial cruises to V and fly more than one variant of a command ship (which is quite common for null sec Command Ship pilots) you need anywhere from 2-4 times that many SP to fly the ships you can fly today. It makes no sense to reimburse BC V skill points and the cost of a skill book when many players won't be "flying the ship they can fly today" under that model. If you have the prerequisites to fly the ship (Racial Cruiser 4 and Battlecruiser X) you should get the equivalent of the prerequisite level so that you can continue to fly the ship. Unlike Learning Skills, this isn't a broad removal of skills that don't have a replacement - this is a direct conversion of (up to) 1,536,000 skill points to 6,144,000 skill points (n the example of Battlecruiser V)

They have already specifically lied or created an huge precedent of unfairness. I have BC V, BS V and so on, on multiple alts. I am not affected at all but I find it extremely bad to set back new players by 70 days or whatever just because a skill book name was not consistent.

The ship lines idea sounds awesome. Tiers have been obsolete for years now, so I am glad to hear something is being done about. Having more ships that are actually useful is great. In line with that, it seems strange to want to remove the AF -> HAC -> Field command Ship lineup as well as the others, since it is the same sort of progression.

I am neutral on the idea of making destroyers and battlecruiser skills race specific, I'd rather that not happen, but It wouldn't be overly horrible (though, bear in mind it cuts down a bit on the ships you can fly per skill trained). I Do not think the destroyer and battlecruiser skills should be a requirement to train cruiser and battleship, however. Training for destroyer or battlecruiser could be thought of as specializing in a ship size class.

Thought on the reimbursement solution (at least for BC):

Convert the one BC skill into the four racial BC skills for each character. Then reimburse only those racial BC skills for which the prerequisites are not fulfilled.

IE: if you have Gallente and Minmatar cruiser skills up to 3, but not Caldari or Amarr, and you have BC 4, you get it converted to Gallente BC 4 and Minmatar BC 4, and get reimbursed skill points equivalent to Caldari BC 4 and Amarr BC 4.

In any event, sounds like it's time to train up BC5 so I don't have to train up multiple variations for command ships if/when the split happens.