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Oh no you are not. Maxing up something you actually enjoy flying seems foreign to some people.

Agreed.. I trained Destroyer 5 and Battlecruiser 5 just for this purpose. Now I feel it will be wasted skill points, It looks like 4 times as much training for you and 2 times as much training for me.

Why not have Amarr Destroyer Specialization and add some new kick ass destroyers.

Luckily the change does not affect Exhumer, so I'm fine with Exhumer V ...
I'm a lucky Care

Personally speaking, I can see where CCP are coming from regarding wanting to adjust/tweak/screw-with (delete as appropriate) the skilltraining lines.... but I am, as are the 60+ pages of people above me, uncertain as to the effect this is going to have on my characters....

Let's take a look at my rather extensively crosstrained character.... (Dont laugh at the skills trained - skillplans change over 6 yrs of gaming...

The Baseline
Racial Frigate x4 :
Racial Cruiser x4 :
Racial Battleship x3 : 5 (the fourth is at 4 and a bit

The 'Generic skills' which are in question
Assault Ships 5 : 1024k S
Battlecruisers 5 : 1536k
Command Ships 3 : 64
Covert Ops 5 : 1024
Destroyers 3 : 16
Electronic Attack Ships 2 : 5.6
Heavy Assault Ships 5 : 1536
Interceptors 3 : 32
Jump Freighters 2 : 20k is
Logistics 5 : 1536
Marauders 3 : 80
Recon Ships 5 : 1536
Transport Ships 3 : 48

Total SP tied up in generic skills : 8,457,600

Depending on the reimbursement philosophy taken (assuming that all of these generic skills are turned into 4x racial skills) I could be left either :
1. Screwed : If that 8457600 SP is reimbursed as a single lump sum, I lose the ability to fly ships I specifically crosstrained the generic skill to 5, at the ability level of L5. This doesn't read right, so I'll try to explain.

If I get the 8457k reimbursed, to return to being able to fly specific areas of ships, I'd have to specialise into a single racial path. If I was to take the track that I wanted to crosstrain again, that 8.4m sp would have to be split over the racial skills, and thus anything trained to 5 would now be in the region of 2-3..... requiring multiple-months worth of extra training time to return it to L5.

The gulf between flying something, and flying it well, is huge. Fittings change between L4 and L5 'generic' skills...

2. Slightly-Screwed : If the Generics are turned into Racials at their existing level, I gain an additional 25,372,800 SP (8,457,600 x3 for the 3 new races of skills that I 'didnt' train) onto my character, shunting it over 100m SP total. The only reason this would slightly screw me would be to increase the cost of clones in the short term

3. Slightly-Screwed again : If the Generics are turned into Racials at 0, with the 25.3m SP 'reimbursed' to spread as I want them, then stuff that I trained earlier in my eve gaming career probably wouldn't be.... Yes, I'd need to invest more isk in the clones.... but then again, I would have just 'saved' myself approximately 16-18 months worth of training through being given a metric crapton of SP to redistribute

Either which way, whichever way CCP goes on the messing-with-training-lines plan, we, the crosstraining players, are gonna be set back a few million isk (for the new clones) or screwed by not being able to fly everything that we could previously at the same level as we could previously

If it comes to having to shell out for the next grade of clone, so be it. Just don't take away the choice I made to be a generalist in eve

** Yes, I realise that my math is slightly off due to one of the BS-4 skills, but it doesn't affect the end-results much. I was using my character as an example, nothing more, nothing less **

** edit : Yes, I kinda misread something too - Dessy and BC skills are the affected ones - but meh - see my post a few down **

I wrote a blog post about ships and ship skills. It might not suck. Read it. If it does suck, it will fit right in with the rest of my blog.

Seriously, getting rid of tiers is a good idea, and allows a lot of flexibility in ship introduction and skill development, but the skill tree change might be easier based on the model I am proposing.

As a model to allow role-based ships and skills, using Spaceship Command as the baseline for ship class, and Advanced Spaceship Command as the baseline for Tech 2 ship class simplifies the skill tree without impacting existing users in any significant way (as long as the NPC price of ASC is reduced to a reasonable level).

That way, if CCP wants to introduce a new Tech 2 Battlecruiser, existing Tech 2 Battlecruiser pilots need only train skills for that specific class, and if someone who doesn't even fly a BC wants to fly it, they train Spaceship Command to 5, the basic Racial Battlecruiser skill to the minimum level for the Tech 1 variant of the ship, Advanced Spaceship Command to 4, and the Tech 2 Ship Skill.

It's a clean, practical, understandable process and model that allows easy introduction of new Tech 2 ship classes, and provides openings for CCP to introduce ships in either Tech 1 or Tech 2 variant that have differing skill bonuses and requirements that actually create variety inherently.

Iteresting...

No, only 1,552k — BC V and Dessy III. The rest are not being being split up. Some of the T2 role skills will have their prereqs reduced so as to not require lower-tier skills (HACs no longer requires AFs; CSes no longer require HACs and Logis; Recons no longer require CovOps), but that's all.

Since the core principle is “if you have it, you keep it”, no, since no-one will need to retrain anything.

Return to your cave and don't get out unless I call you out !!

NAO !!

Hrm....

Okay, so if it's 1,552,000 SP tied up, then to return everything else to it's current state, I would need either a reimbursement of 6,208,000 SP to reapply to the racial BC / Dessy skills across the board, or recieve all of the racial BC / Dessy skills at V and III respectively (a 'locked down' increase of 4,656,000 SP to my character) as to not take away from what I can already fly at a certain level of skill.

And as for the Destroyers and Battlecruisers, the ABSOLUTE WORST thing CCP could do would be to reimburse skill points in this situation. It makes the most sense to have the skills remapped based on the combination of Destroyer/Battlecruiser and the Frigate/Cruiser levels.

So if you have Destroyers V and Gallente Frigate V, Amarr Frigate V, Minmatar Frigate 4 and Caldari Frigate 3, you get
Gallente Destroyers V, Amarr Destroyers V, Minmatar Destroyers 4 and Caldari Destroyers 3.

This might make some players lose T2 access to a couple variations of Interdictors or Command Ships, but if publicized now, the skills can be trained up to actually give you more ship options come Inferno than less.