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New dev blog: Rebalancing EVE, one ship at a time

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Anja Talis
Sal's Waste Management and Pod Disposal
#121 - 2012-03-06 18:38:53 UTC
ITTigerClawIK wrote:
first thing i thought after reading about the skill changes was "all those guys in null sec will be fighting tooth and nail in frigates cause barely anyone will have trained destroyers" and on another note of that at least add another 1 or 2 destroyers to actualy make that class worth even moving into after frigate.


oh yeah! Add some more destroyer types!
Velicitia
XS Tech
#122 - 2012-03-06 18:39:04 UTC
drdxie wrote:
hell, I even trained for T2 torps for use on the naga.


You sure you're playing the same game as the rest of us? Lol

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Prometheus Exenthal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2012-03-06 18:39:07 UTC
Oh hey, CCP looking to rebalance ships?
This is my forté, prom4csm Blink

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DO YOUR JOBS, CCP DEVS. FIX THE GAME INSTEAD OF FKING IT
Grady Eltoren
Hogyoku
#124 - 2012-03-06 18:39:25 UTC
I LIKE THIS DEV BLOG.

One of my FIRST thoughts when I started playing EVE years ago was that the ship progression should be exactly this way. I could not understand why it wasn't set deeper to have to train racial battlecruiser.



IN RE: to all the whiners (I.e. Liang etc etc) - You people lobby all the time for EVE to be tougher and crueler. Well then don't B%#$@ when things are set straight.

Furthermore, CCP is going to help by letting us reallocate. Like Trebor said, you should be PRAISING CCP for the work they are putting in to REFRESH EVE.

.....

Posting in what is sure to be an EPIC whiners thread.

Grady


P.S. as I type this the pages have jumped from 4-6 in two minutes - WOAH....er rather....WAH :)
Fird
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#125 - 2012-03-06 18:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Here's a thought.
Scrap the idea, think of something less ********.
Please refrain from personal attacks and keep it civil. Spitfire
Herschel Yamamoto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#126 - 2012-03-06 18:40:25 UTC
Well, I can't criticize you for a lack of ambition...

1) Do not refund/reimburse SP in destroyers and battlecruisers, please. Transfer the SP into all four of the racial skills, so that we aren't stuck spending three months making ourselves able to fly the ships we currently can. I love me some BCs/CSes, and I'll be pissed if I spend months unable to fly them.

2) If you're sticking destroyers in the main line of ships, and not as an optional extra, then they need to be less crap. This had better come with a serious buff, particularly to their missioning capabilities.

3) Tiers are only a problem if they're done badly. For example, battleship tiering is done quite well, and doesn't need to be changed. But yes, frigate/cruiser tiering needs an overhaul.

4) I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with "ship lines". It sounds like you're thinking the right way, but I don't know what actual gameplay changes will result. Is this just a replacement for the tier system, or are you going to use it as a reason to add a bunch of new ships?
ReptilesBlade
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-03-06 18:40:56 UTC
I LOVE it!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#128 - 2012-03-06 18:41:00 UTC
Shin Dari wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.

As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.



It goes far beyond simply unappealing. It is simply not practical. We've got dozens of battlecruisers in the wormhole we live in and potentially nobody would even be able to fly them for months. The best solution is not to reimburse BC/Destroyer SP but to give everyone the racial skills at the level they have them trained when the books are seeded.

-Liang

There is a problem with that, I and many others don't want the extra skill points. I might go with that option if CCP would also allow us to trim skills away so that we don't get too many skill points.


I'm well beyond giving a **** what my total SP count is. I simply refuse to have things taken away from me. Fortunately, CCP Soundwave agrees with me.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Skye Aurorae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2012-03-06 18:41:45 UTC
Wow - what a devblog.

I predict this has the potential to become one of the biggest threadnaughts ever!

:: gets popcorn ::

I support this process and discussion, but the Devs will have to be very proactive here discussing with the players, since these changes reach into so many parts of the game.

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.
Razin
The Scope
#130 - 2012-03-06 18:42:07 UTC
Big smile Great blog! Looking forward to some details on the actual stat changes.
SigmaPi
Ambivalent Inc
Coney Island Ski Club
#131 - 2012-03-06 18:42:20 UTC
Tread lightly here, CCP - while its all logical, you have the ability to really destroy and enrage a lot of your bread 'n butter players - us old people don't like being screwed with.
SamTheTrader
Sleepers and Drugs
#132 - 2012-03-06 18:42:35 UTC
next time put even larger images (in terms of filesize) into the page of the blog. don't bother with things like preview images
Cronus Zontanos
Places and Stuff Inc.
#133 - 2012-03-06 18:42:58 UTC
Ugh. I love this game but you whining people really get on my nerves. Everyone complains about FiS content and balance, CCP moves to make sweeping balance changes that actually make sense, and everyone complains that it's too much change. You people are impossible.
killer139139
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#134 - 2012-03-06 18:43:16 UTC
Quote:
ISD BH Bunnykore > Honestly skills that take a month to train just feel like something to force people to stay interested and PAYING for the game.
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#135 - 2012-03-06 18:43:35 UTC
I'm surprised they had to wiki-link an Oil Platform.

"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
yoyaz
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#136 - 2012-03-06 18:43:59 UTC
Fird wrote:
Here's a thought.
Scrap the idea, think of something less ********.
You idiots are running this game into the ground already.



2nd
ReptilesBlade
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-03-06 18:44:00 UTC
Herschel Yamamoto wrote:


4) I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at with "ship lines". It sounds like you're thinking the right way, but I don't know what actual gameplay changes will result. Is this just a replacement for the tier system, or are you going to use it as a reason to add a bunch of new ships?


I took it to mean they are going to use it to add a lot of new ships.


A lot of ships.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-03-06 18:44:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
your huge-ass images have murdered my browser to death, fix this please jesus christ.

no kidding I'm literally having to look for this copy-pasted on third party forums so I can actually read the text of the blog.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-03-06 18:44:34 UTC
I like the direction. Curious how bumpy the road will be getting there.
Prime FLux
Perkone
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-03-06 18:44:36 UTC
*posting in epic threadnought*