Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you don't want to play Eve, and your post makes it sound that way, then don't play Eve. But don't post stupid ideas like this. Botting is bad, making it easier is bad.

Why keep these activities as activities at all if all you are going to do is automate them?

I know a few alliances in Eve swimming in trillions of isk they can't use monthly and the excedents aren't even spare with all alliances members because there's no reason but some like to see enourmous numbers in their internets space bank.

The most hilarious in all that you know what it is?

Unlike you think there is "free isk for some", please let me introduce to you, moon goo. Now think about pay your monthly rent/tax or you could loose standings or be "KOS".

When someone abuses a tool, you don't blame the tool itself, or the makers of the tool. You are suppossed to blame the person abusing it.

Mining is boring, and so is scanning. That is one reason macros and bots exist. They are tools, nothing more. I am not saying I support them, I just don't see a reason to hate them. If they are abused, it is not the fool's fault, it is the user's fault.

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If a fox steals your hens, you don't slaughter your pig, you hunt the fox.

They're tools designed for the sole purpose of doing something that just so happens to be one of the exceedingly few things you're not allowed to do in EVE. The fact that they exist is a problem in itself.

This is why I think all the people who claim I'm actually complaining about this when I'm offering a real solution that would put actual players on an equal footing with botters are full of ****. Anyone who's actually done mining or mission running before without cheating knows exactly what I'm on about, real players can't keep up with bots, so you either make it legal so everyone is on an equal footing and CCP can ban the people making real money off this sort of thing. Or you go after everyone who just uses bots to get through the game.

So far, I don't see their current tactic of trying to ban bots is working especially since it means CCP lose money in the process, so I think they need to change the way they do things, unless you lot can offer a solution that will actually work and benefit players I think you can bugger off with your comments about my attitude towards botters and this game especially since a number of you are part of alliances that have been accused of botting and exploiting in the past anyway.




I like the idea, but that's going to cost CCP money they don't have unfortunately :( the only way I see that working is if they informed the police of that kind of thing going on in their game, but the problem is then you will have no one in any police force or court system that actually understands it lol.

It's like with SOPA and ACTA, the people putting this through the court don't actually know what the hell it is, they're just getting lobbied lots of money for it so they do what the anti-piracy associations say, if we told them there are people making money off a video game illegally they'd just give us a bemused look and laugh.

For one thing, this isn't dealt with by "the police", lol. For another, it isn't some crazy far out concept that's never been seen in a court of law before. The problem is that the companies or individuals involved in it know that what they are doing is illegal, as under the ToS they are technically selling CCP's property for real money without authorization, and as such they act to protect themselves accordingly.

So the issue becomes that CCP can't ring 999, and go "OMG, someone is selling ISK!", because even those companies that can be easily located are not based in America, England, Germany or any other country that would likely be amenable to legal action against them. Good luck sending a notice of intent to prosecute to a company based in China, I'm sure they'd get a kick out of reading it.

Anyway, Blizzard, CCP and other MMO developers have taken these companies, the individuals involved in them and the hosting companies that help them to court before with limited success. Ironically SOPA and ACTA would have allowed CCP to simply shut down their websites, but unfortunately the scope, wording and motivation behind the legislation went a bit beyond that.


And anyway, none of us are part of alliances that have been accused of botting or exploiting in the past, you just seem to have the issue of perceiving everyone who is richer, more organised or more powerful in game as having reached that point by botting.

This isn't an issue with botting, it's an issue with you trying to negate your own inadequacies by pretending that those beating you are cheating. It's the Eve online equivalent of joining a CS:S server and spamming "wall hacking mofo!" every twenty seconds.

Mining and mission running are low profit endeavors because they are so ridiculously easy they can be done by bots. I'm not going to pretend that botters don't contribute to low mineral costs, but they certainly don't effect mission payouts, and on the whole minerals are cheap because any noob can (and does) do it constantly. If you want to make more money mine in WHs, null sec or change to a different profession.

The economy is already broken so why should honest players have to put up with it? Other players should at least have the decency to agree that the experience should be made less painful rather than throw hissy fits at anyone who can see the reality of the situation.

PROTIP: You are not a beautiful or unique snow flake. You can not see the reality of the situation.

Again, the problem is you think everyone richer than you gained those advantages through botting. View my contract history and then go cry in a corner.