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The idea is great and worthy in my opinion. I always hated the old names, who has time to learn all the nuances? Well, I didn't, too busy using my limited time for Eve to actually play. I do think something other than Limited could be used, though it is sooo sexy, almost as sexy as trauma...ummm blunt force trauma...

And i believe Prototype is generally used for the first try at something, while experimental is used to make variations of something. Though I can find no backup for that, that is how I see it. I would can the name Prototype for this reason.

Standardization works for me. +1

Blimey CCP, what's going on in the office over there? The volcanic fumes finally made it past the filters for the aircon units?


Upgraded -> Limited -> Experimental -> Prototype

Makes no logical sense at all as "Limited" implies that an item is worse than its stablemates.

If anything, it should be a logical progression:

Experimental / Prototype -> Modified -> Enhanced -> Improved / Upgraded -> T2.


As for the launchers, renaming Standard Launchers to Light Missile Launchers and Siege to Torpedo are the only ones that make sense.

Missile "Array"? No.

It should be Light Assault Missile Launcher and then you can keep Heavy Assault Missile Launcher.

Props for finally changing the implant names though, they were bonkers hard to remember.

You do realise that Meta Level 1 is not, in fact, the base form of an item? That's Meta Level 0. Learn 2 EVE.

I think the name changes are good, for the most part, and agree that the complexity in naming (Especially implants) is not depth, just extra legwork.

I agree that LMA is not an ideal name as it is not clear why this is different from a launcher. Perhaps Light Missile Launcher Array (ie an array of LMLs)

I don't know that you needed to change Reactive/Reflective/etc, they were consistent and relatively clear.

Since it seems not to be clear to most people that Limited means Limited Edition, you need to either rename it to make this clear, or come up with a new Meta 2 name.

I think Experimental vs Prototype is fine. For me, prototype is 'prototype for production soon' whereas experimental is 'trying out new stuff, nowhere near production'

PS: The spreadsheet tears are hilarious.

I approve greatly of these changes. The hardwireing in particular was a god forsaken mess, having to show info on everyone to get an idea of what they did was a nightmare.

The only concern I have is in the launcher names.

For turrets it is easily recognizable what are short range and what are longer range cannons.
Pulse = short,
Beam = long.

Wouldn't it make more sense to separate out the launchers in the same way? At least in the market view.

First by size
Large
Medium
Small

Then have that broken down by range,

Large > Torpedos/Cruise Missiles
Mediums > Assault/Heavy missiles
Small > Rockets/ Light missiles

Thus you're launcher names would be

Meta X Torpedo launcher
meta X Cruise Missile launcher

Meta X Assault Missile Launcher
Meta X Heavy Missile Launcher

Meta X Rocket Launcher
Meta X Light Missile Launcher.

The only real changes are to make the array thing a bit less confusing and keep the naming convention of the medium size launchers. I never flew Caldari so the only experience I have are the Khanid ships which all use HAMs.

Basically the naming convention between Assault missiles and Heavy assault missiles is confusing. Rather than changing the launcher descriptor, why not simply use a different prefix.

Should be:

Light Missile Launcher
Light Assault Missile Launcher
Heavy Missile Launcher
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher

I don't like the idea of HAMS becoming AMs and AMs becoming Light Arrays.

Also, for the love of god do NOT take away the Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron. That name is sacred. SACRED.

I support everything but the "arrays". Those are just terrible.

Also, with regards to spreadsheet tears: If you used the typeid (e.g. 8025) instead of the name of the item (e.g. Compact 'Limos' Assault Missile Bay I), this wouldn't be a problem. The typeid is the "unique ID" of the item that will never ever change. Basing your spreadsheets on the name is, from CCP's and from a coding standpoint, as foolhardy as basing them on the damage modifier of the mods.

CCP, please release the database dump sooner this time. Breaking every 3rd party tool because they can't upgrade without your DB dump is dumb.

Flavorful names are a plus, but names that effectively convey information are double plus extra good, so I support your efforts! And thanks for letting us know in advance for this iteration.

And if you do this ^^^, then all you'll need to update is the sheet containing the data for the vlookup

Oh look, I supply such a sheet on my site, and as I use it in my own spreadsheets, I'll be keeping it up to date.

Though to be honest, most of the time I have any heavy lifting to be done? I use a database.

+1 for simplifying the names so it's easier for noobies to find.

-0.1 for losing some of the flavour but maybe it's better to have useability before the uniqueness. Maybe you could include the lost flavour in the item description so it becomes a part of the background rather than vanishes completely from the lore.

As it has been mentioned before the light missile array is sub-optimal. Light missile launcher array or the rapid light missile launcher would be better.