Warfare & Tactics

I can understand CCP wanting to allow meta-gaming in eve to keep things "real" and interesting for adults playing the game.

Honestly though, after joining the amarrian militia you have to wonder if it's not just a game breaker.

You cannot get info because most of them dont even read the militia window anymore.
Many of them are in corps - this is true and they have their own chat channels.
However, looking at the militia window currently just after DT, there are plenty of people there.

I and a couple of other new people to FW couldn't get any information on antyhing.

Spies have run rampant to such an extent that the entire process of gainging new players to play FW seems to have completely broken down.

Intel doesn't really happen in the channel, no intel for some means we can't really fly the ships we'd like to.
No fleets because spies could too easily get into them means we can't even orchestrate a decent gank.

I can understand the many people who are happy to play FW right now and have already got into these closed groups, however for many of us who are high SP and just want to pewpew something without the hassle or needing a break from joining corps/alliances - it's a time waster to try and PVP without intel or collaboration.

CCP - this needs fixing desperately or just remove it. The necessary collaboration in low-sec as opposed to incursions in high-sec is completely different, and requires trust which cannot occur in your game - by your own design.

Have you considered any tools or ideas to help this along?
Or is it just going to continue to be another one of your half-baked ideas?

It can still be fun though. I know you said you don't want to join corps but it really is the best way to get into fleets etc...find an active one and go pew pew your heart out.

What a stupid answer, no offense.

Which is it the intel channel or the fleet these corps spend heaps of isk on ?

Really

I'm just pointing out an obvious flaw in the master plan.

I have already said it is a given that my perspective is going to be different from the melodrama queens who will obviously troll this thread because they have been doing FW for a longass time.

However, your opinion is about as valid as a 6 year old player commenting on the new player experience - I wouldn't know.

Same, your opinion isn't valid as a new player trying to get into FW and coming up against the harsh wall of silence when it comes to intel/fleets/TS.

If you can't understand what I'm saying, go to the next thread in the forum.
It's not some personal attack on corps doing what corps must do to survive.

It's an obvious flaw in the system that I'm pointing out and wondering if CCP in their rewrite/revisit of FW in the near future might do something about. If no inconsistencies are ever brought to light, then nothing will ever get fixed.

so you are basically saying that it is CCPs fault that players:
1. make corporations
2. don't like strangers from NPC corps
3. don't like spies
4. don't use intel channel
5. ....
?

I understand exactly what your saying mate, and my previous post genuinly wasnt meant to offend.

But, you've made a wide sweeping statement that FW is a waste of time, you are wrong.

Ive lost count of the amount of times ive seen people instantly new to FW pretty much demanding that they be let into either a) a fleet theyve seen around or b) why their x isnt being picked up.

When i say time, effort and isk etc i mean exactly that - When we run T3 gangs example with corpies etc, how much isk do you think is on the line here? Most FW corps that i know of have been created from scratch from the ground upwards from a couple of members, recruited, trained FC's within there own ranks, learned tactics from mistakes / victories, improved pvp skill and put an awful lot on the line on a daily basis to get to the standard and expectations where they are today (some good and some not so good) and as i said, new people seem to have this expectation that FW is a tool for them to instantly be in the middle of this and cry if they dont get immediatly involved on how things are unfair.

You seriously expect someone that no-one has had any previous experience with should automatically be invited to fleet - Spying is one problem yes but thats not the only issue, who says your ship is fitted right for the fleet, who says you know what your doing just cos your "high sp", do you have the right comms installed, are you an arse on comms, are you a know-it-all, do you have your ships / fittings in the system we are forming or do we have to wait 20 mins for you to get there etc etc etc - So we should hold the fleet up until weve put you in the right ship for the fleet, right fittings for the fleet, sussed out if your an arse or not etc etc, i'm sorry but no. I hope you see my point.

I'm sorry to say that FW (in the main) isnt just a noobs playground for right or for wrong.

How long have you been in FW, a day, a week, a month, a year? have you just given up at the first hurdle? i dont know you so i really have no idea.

If you are pretty new, then do what others have done, go out, get some kills / losses, have some fun, get noticed and you will get into fleets / comms - if you cant be arsed and just want it all on a plate, then it just wont happen mate.

I realize you say you are not interested in joining a corp. That's fine. But I do believe you can still run pickup gangs on your own by just learning to be social, helpful, and network!. One of my guys whose KB is lesser than mine was actually made an FC for a small pickup gang a week ago. Did those guys know he wasn't that great? No. But he was simply a social guy who could fake it till he make it.

I've seen your KB and you obviously know what you're doing. Or at the least, you don't seem to be a liability. I would just suggest that you

a) develop more patience and accept the environment for what it is
b) socialize and network with those who you want to be your wingman.

Get your own comms, add each other to the contact list, and do your own thing.

Now, if however, what I just suggested sounds like too much work for you and you don't want to be the guy herding others out of the station, then join a corp who have established infrastructure. And if that isn't for you either, then FW is not for you.

CCP can make certain fixes to the game design. But they cannot compensate for many players who lack or don't wish to tap into the social skills that this game is also designed for. EVE is social darwinism. Meaning you have to rely on your own social skills as much as your technical skills to survive. I can point out several examples where I've applied my social skills to get what is needed to compensate for other elements that I lack that the general public thinks you need in order to survive. Namely high SP or l337 KB.

PS. Making general wide-sweeping statements will always get you trolled regardless of what the topic is.

EDIT: You've spent all but 5 days in the militia. That's not alot of time and you need more patience.

Google the amarr militia killboard, find out who is active in your time zone, then either join those corps or Convo some of them.

You are right, the militia channel is not used much but there invite only alternatives.

This.

As a relatively new player I joined the Gall militia yesterday and the channel is also dead. So I checked kill boards to see active corps in EU and already have one I plan to apply to once I have a little xp behind me. Theres nothing wrong with growing a pair and venturing out on your own to begin with.

(Will getting my ass handed to me count as experience?)

I don't get how this game works, it's not working like how I want it to work. These other people who was once new to FW themselves obviously don't know what they're talking about!!
CCP PLZ CHANGE GAME PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

there ya go, I shortened your whole argument into a quick time-sensitive small group of words.
you're welcome.

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Minmatar Republic

I'm sorry you failed in your spy attempts, m8m8. Lrn2playbetter