EVE New Citizens Q&A

I give you numbers, I state that it can do any damage type without downsides as it doesn't get a specific damage type bonus, meaning it can perform ANYWHERE, not just in kinetic. I state it's cheaper, I state it has less chance of becoming a gank target and I've shown you it does more dps. All verifiable facts, numbers and logic.

All you've done is "ololol meme meme everyone uses one".


Listen, I don't care why you like it more, if you'd state "I like the fact that it's faster and it's just more fun" then I could agree with you, and if I didn't I would agree with the notion that everyone has his own opinion on things and leave it at that. Thing is that you bozos state it to be the BEST, and it just isn't.

This is the newbie forum, newbies read this crap thread and unless someone counters the stupid meme spouters with facts they're probably going to think that Tengu is indeed the best, they don't know WHY (because ppl never explained it, as... there is no real explanation, just meme spouting and opinions based on nothing) but it must be the best right? I mean, most ppl said so. THAT is how people get these silly ideas, I bet that's how you and most others got it into their heads as well: Following the herd without any fact checking or use of logic.

Believe what you want and use what you want, just don't give advice to others if you lack the knowledge and facts.



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This bit tells me you're clueless

[/quote]The OP was asking what a GOOD ship for PvE is, and that still is the Tengu.[/quote]


well actually i was not lol my original post was all about missiles and lasers, and it all seems to have got abit heated.

All right, here are your numbers:

Guristas tank: 69.500 EHP with 1.066 DPS tank.
Cap: Stable at 44%
Damage: 670 DPS / 2.645 Volley (with Fury missiles)
Resists: 94 kin / 80 therm (yes it's guristas resist fitted, as 0.0 space only has guristas)
Locking range: 117km
Speed: 350 m/s on perma MWD running.

Yes I play and actually rat in null-sec with a tengu. Pays good money. And of course it's tank related, why would I tank EM when I"m only shooting Guristas.

Hopefully you have taken away that missiles tend to be better and that instant hits really don't matter in PvE. I have run hundreds of LVL 4's and not once have I ever though, "Man, that would have gone so much better if those shots were instant hits. Having all this range and not being hit by the rats really sucks."

The worst thing about missiles is they are pretty boring as you really do get to avoid a lot of incoming damage if you kite or are able to fire from such a distance the area is clear before the rats are within range.

The only play style that is more boring is Drone boating with drones as the primary source of damage.

Have to fully agree there. Also, the more you focus on an AFK-style ship/fitting, the more boring and slow it becomes.

My favourite weapon systems are missiles and projectile weapons.

Why?
1) Because they don't use cap. Even if I have maxed cap skills, it's still very useful to have it available on the one hand and being as little dependent on it as possible on the other. You're less vulnerable to a neut or nos. You have much more cap left for active tanks. Or you can choose to fit a passive tank (shield regeneration at the expense of cap regeneration). And you need to use less/no slots for your cap regeneration or boosters so you can use those for other things instead.
2) Missile boats like Tengu and Drake and most Minmatar ships are very good. Missiles may have damage delay but they have great range, always hit, suffer no tracking or other issues that turrets have. Projectile turrets have the lowest fitting costs and the best range of all turret systems. It's not a surprise that a lot of non-bonussed turret ships are often fitted with projectile weapons. And yes, I don't like the whole drone micromanagement thing.

Personally I'm in favour of fast shield ships so Caldari and projectile weapon ships (Minmatar) are my obvious choice if I have to pick one. You can also cross train pretty well as both Caldari as Minmatar have mostly shield tanks - and most Minmatar ships do have a few missile hardpoints next to their Projectile weapon slots for maxed firepower.

Lastly I have to admit that the Tengu is the most complete, best allround ship in the game.
I made a post about it in this thread in case you're interested.

Thanks :) I'm not sure if it really takes less time to train for a well-fitted CNR than for a Tengu, I think it depends on how optimized you want to fly one. A Tengu doesn't need drones. And battleship V and large T2 missile launchers take longer to train compared to cruisers V and T2 medium launchers. But yes a Tengu needs subsystem skills.
In the end I agree it's easier to jump into a CNR but your DPS and tankability won't be that great.


Well the Tengu gets a 25% bonus to Kin damage so it kind of evens out, for that reason I think it's actually still better to use kinetic instead of thermal or explosive. I don't have the link to the post where it's calculated though.

That's the point, being "competent" doesn't require BS lvl 5, lvl 4 is already fine whereas the Tengu requires a bunch of lvl 5s. One being gunnery which doesn't make "sense" for missile users, shield OP 5 which is not needed for either the drake (severely over tanked) or the Tengu (active tanked) and Nav 5. Mind you, those can be useful skills but to have to train them as a newer player just to get into a ship doesn't necessarily make sense. Not saying you can hop into a CNR without support skills, you can't (neither for the Tengu) but it doesn't require any lvl 5s as such. And while caldari cruiser 5 can be VERY useful it's not logical to simply forget about it when talking about required training time.


You get a 25% kinetic bonus but the CNR gets a ROF bonus meaning it can do any type of damage without downsides (not counting its drones). Whichever way you look at it, unless you do Guristas 100% of the time, that's just is the better option as it allows for more tailored damage types.


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The majority of new players start out with perma tank fits for their Raven/CNR and some even stick to it. Fits like that will ofcourse do much less dps and compared to an easy to use Tengu the Tengu will ofcourse win. Thing is that sticking to perma tanking in lvl 4 missions is a choice, it's not needed, not even for newbies. Once you start using "proper" fits (which don't actually take that much more effort) then things starts to look different.

Look what you did Chili.... just look at it.