Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I can empathise. Recently had a new player that was determined that a Tornado was the best ship they could fly in PVE because it was fast and had large guns.

My problem is that they can get into a battleship too quickly.

For battleships they should add the requirement Gunnery V, because the whole point of flying a battleship is to use large turrets, if you require Gunnery V then when they can finally fly the battleship then they are either 25 minutes to a few hours from using large turrets. That happened to me when I was a noob (on an alt), I got into the battleship then I realized i couldn't use large turrets for another 6 days, and I was like "fffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu" and I got really mad. So Gunnery V should be a requirement for battleships.

Why Would my Raven need Gunnery 5?





My ancectors made fire with 2 peaces of flint, that didn't stop people from inventing a lighter, because their fathers had a hard time as well, nor did it make life very simple.

Someone mentioned here to let the recomended certificate box light up slightly when you lack those, that should be enough, no need to spell it out to people no need to leave them in the dark as well.

Seriously? This thread is a joke.

-Weapon skills dictating ship skills? No sorry, thats what SHIP skills are for. Thats the way it has always been and the way it should stay, no ship requires you to skill in a weapon type nor should it.

-T2 medium guns for a battleship? Why? 5-6 more weeks of training isn't going to make a wink of a difference when that noob takes his megathron into low sec (if wasted on something stupid like T2 medium guns). Way to make them wait longer and try harder for their ship, now they feel worse that they wasted a whole month rather than 7 days. Not to mention, medium guns on a BS is about as noob as it gets. Obviously you dont mean for them to put medium guns on a BS, but this can be misleading to a new player.

-Okay T2 meds for a battleship? Maybe you sold me. So now you say the purpose is so they can fly a battlecruiser well? I thought we were talking about battleships here, not battlecruisers. It will take them longer to train all that extra bull crap up than it would take them to get some weapon/tank specific skills up for a battleship (assuming their core is already okayish). Young BS pilot vs young BC pilot and the BS pilot will kick its ass. Young BS pilot vs two, 1 year old BC pilots (still rather "youngish"), depending on how well the BS has been trained he might kill one of them, but will probably die. Put a young BS pilot vs a 3-4 year old cruiser pilot, and the BS will die in a fire. It's not that BS are easier to fly or better to fly, its the age difference which is intangible. If you take it for what it is and comapre apples to apples, BS beats BC in most cases. (Simply based off of overall DPS and tank)

-Lets NOT create mechanics that make eve a safer place for derps please. If you want to be an idiot go play WoW. If you can't fall on your face in this game (because of something YOU did, most likely), then get back up, eve probably isn't the right game for you.

-Noobs in battleships isn't the problem (as someone said earlier). It's the education level. That being said, it is NOT CCP's job to teach people how to fly a battleship. That should be the job of a friend, corp leader, director, in game organization (E-Uni etc). I have helped plenty of very young players get into a battleship, its probably the BEST ship for a 2-3 month old character in a small to midsize group atmosphere (of course this also depends on what you do, 0.0, wh, highsec, it all will vary). Of course, you need to really help them with their training in skills and practical usage. Most important is that you dont throw them to the wolves. But seriously, think about it. Cruiser or battlecruisers do 200-400/500 DPS for someone who is 2-3 months old. Battleships will do 400-800 (yes I had a megathron pilot get up to 800, not great, but for 2-3 months, not too shabby). The EHP is 100k or more in a BS whereas in a BC you'll be lucky to get more than 50-60k in a solid fit. Sure its more expensive but, again, goes back to being in a group atmosphere where the corp either has industrial friends or their own industrial backbone where they can make ships available and affordable for their members.

Eve is a cut throat game, its got a steep learning curve, and it doesnt cater to stupidity. If a noob has a BS, fine, own it. But be sure you are being smart with it, and unless you've got a friend helping you out, its going to take some losses. Happens to everyone at some point, and if you can't deal with the no respawn, again, WoW is that way. -->

There is nothing wrong with the current system. If a new player thinks that battleships are top dog and works to get one as fast as possible, they will lose it. When that 100mil battleship pops they will either learn from the experience or quit. If they learn from the experience they will, move on, and ultimately become better players. If they give up and quit then they probably wouldn't have played EVE very long anyway.

In the end nothing needs to be changed because the best way to learn is not through a bunch of menus and NPC's its through trial and error, "I tried a battleship and got killed maybe I shouldn't be flying one yet".

Current system is fine.

If anything just better explain some of the strengths/weaknesses of larger ships in Eve during the tutorials. Perhaps one of them could involve sending the player out in a frigate to orbit a battleship npc and "get under" his guns to help explain the whole tracking thing.

Putting in silly limitations like requiring Unnecessary skills be trained to fly a battleship (T2 medium guns wtf?) wont help new players out.

How about a warning if you undock a ship without the recommended certs? You can turn it of just like lowsec warnings, one warning for each ship size so the noobs get a warning undocking their battleship even if they inactivated the warning after undocking their first cruiser.

Are you serious??????????

1.) Why exactly is a newb in a BS getting ganked? Either they are flying the BS out of highsec; either they flying a BS during a wardec; either they are stupidly shooting at ninja salvagers; or they are fitting a significant amount of bling to their BS's.
-- I do NOT believe the problem with a noob getting ganked in a BS has ANYTHING to do with them "quickly" skilling into the BS!!

2.) The skill tree is changing in the not too distant future to include Dessie IV and BC IV prior to BS.... so you'll get your wish that a pilot will have an extra day or two of training to skill into a BS. But why would you EVER require medium weapon V or what not for flying a BS? There are soooo many relevant skills to flying a BS semi-effectively, and Medium weapon V is NOT one of them.
-- Your skill suggestion is ridiculous, as the suggested skills don't improve your effectiveness in a BS, but just artificially increase the prerequisite training time.

3.) CCP added certificates to each Ship (including BSs), which show the recommended skills a pilot has for properly fitting and flying a ship. These clearly state solid recommendations, and far exceed your arbitrary and irrelevant skill requirements, as they can be ignored or utilized as each pilot sees fit. Certificate recommendations are the appropriate middle ground for guiding a new player on skilling into a ship!