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Does favoritism exist?

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-02-12 15:24:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
Gawd! Mitt IS a violation of the EULA. In the fine print there it says "...and you CAN'T be UGLY and play this game."
Poor kid. His momma says he's ugly! U - G - L - Y, ugly, ugly UGLY!

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-02-12 17:23:41 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
I am confuse, is this a legitimate question or a stealth attack on Mitani?



It is a stealth attack.


Baaa, says the sheep. Slaughterhouse is thataway.
"If."
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#23 - 2012-02-12 17:31:43 UTC
CCP give me 5 plex a week to keep the forums lively so yes, favouritism exists. The important question is; why does it matter?

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Alpheias
Farmhouse.
Fraternity.
#24 - 2012-02-12 17:33:50 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I highly doubt CCP would give a tough punishment on any CSM member caught for the first time.

Hell, CCP probably settle with a promise not to do it again.

Last thing CCP want's to do is have the CSM mad at them, especially since CCP is still busy placating the player base for last summer.


Guess you weren't around when CCP removed Ankhesentapemkah from the CSM.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#25 - 2012-02-12 17:34:55 UTC
Mittani support boting does it count

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-02-12 17:38:34 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
I am confuse, is this a legitimate question or a stealth attack on Mitani?



It is a stealth attack.


Baaa, says the sheep. Slaughterhouse is thataway.

lmao sheep calling hahaahh
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-02-12 17:38:59 UTC
Killstealing wrote:
Nephilius wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
I am confuse, is this a legitimate question or a stealth attack on Mitani?



It is a stealth attack.


Baaa, says the sheep. Slaughterhouse is thataway.

lmao sheep calling hahaahh

hahaahaha i know right

e: oops forgot to swap alt oh well RollRoll
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-02-12 19:36:32 UTC
this guy thinks i log into eve online more than once in a blue moon

cute

~hi~
Soporo
#29 - 2012-02-12 19:57:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Soporo
Look up the T20 threadnought debacle and then decide if blatant favoritism can't exist in EVE.

Devs are in normal player Corps and Alliances at all levels, they allways have been and always will be, and people will be people, particularly when there seems to be zero evidence of mitigating controlls. Whether or not there are actual, effective controlls, only CCP knows, but that is the perception.

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-02-12 20:03:05 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Mittani support boting does it count


I wouldn't go there since seems old TCF space doesn't seem to have drones, however they do have rating bots just go there and sit you'll figure it out by yourself, just like every alliance, do you really think a "normal" player can do several billions daily/weekly,monthly (regular amounts)?

Is he an asshat drunken mittens raper? -probably yes, arrogant for sure. (it's some english native skill anyway Lol )
Is he a boter? -well if you have proves then show us
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-02-12 21:47:54 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I highly doubt CCP would give a tough punishment on any CSM member caught for the first time.

Hell, CCP probably settle with a promise not to do it again.

Last thing CCP want's to do is have the CSM mad at them, especially since CCP is still busy placating the player base for last summer.


Guess you weren't around when CCP removed Ankhesentapemkah from the CSM.


Back then CCP also didn't have a multitude of events happen that almost toppled their empire.


Not to mention that was for breaking NDA which usually has severe consequences in real life.

This topic is about violating the EULA which rarely has an impact on real life events.

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Acac Sunflyier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-02-12 22:05:04 UTC
ILikeMarkets wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:

Take Mittens for example. He's the head of the CSM, runs Goonswarm, proclaims he's the most influential player...


lol. Sure he is Pirate



Just quoting Eve News
Acac Sunflyier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-02-12 22:05:55 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
this guy thinks i log into eve online more than once in a blue moon

cute


Used you as an example. It was 0500 and I couldn't remember Montolio's name at the time
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#34 - 2012-02-12 22:52:26 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
yes it's biased, CCP Punkturis hates me, therefore she loves you all and by doing this her feelings are biased towards me Cry

CCP Punkturis hear mehLol



whaaaaaat how could I hate you?

you're the only one who has offered to make streets of flowers just for me! Blink

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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#35 - 2012-02-12 22:53:15 UTC
I don't know about how it works for bans and such, but I got a bug report answered within less than 3 hours. On a Sunday.

Please support: export of settings in editable format

Your stuff goes here.
Acac Sunflyier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-02-12 23:39:03 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
yes it's biased, CCP Punkturis hates me, therefore she loves you all and by doing this her feelings are biased towards me Cry

CCP Punkturis hear mehLol



whaaaaaat how could I hate you?

you're the only one who has offered to make streets of flowers just for me! Blink



I can't tell if you're trying to reassure us it doesn't exist. It certainly doesn't look like it.
Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-02-12 23:46:30 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
yes it's biased, CCP Punkturis hates me, therefore she loves you all and by doing this her feelings are biased towards me Cry

CCP Punkturis hear mehLol



whaaaaaat how could I hate you?

you're the only one who has offered to make streets of flowers just for me! Blink



This was offered to be planted/created in Iceland? Shocked (In Atlanta, she could just throw some Kudzu around, toss polka-dot paint on it and it'd look like 'streets of flowers')
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#38 - 2012-02-13 00:09:45 UTC
CCP hates lone wolf players and for some uncomfortable reason it turns me on.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#39 - 2012-02-13 00:18:25 UTC
Super

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#40 - 2012-02-13 01:00:06 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
CCP hates lone wolf players and for some uncomfortable reason it turns me on.

Nah. I'm lone most of the time... I've done some messed up smack to people. One time I got petitioned by someone who I was trying to discredit and make a few bucks from, and it was legal grey area. Obviously I'm not going into detail on that, but they sided w/ the famous guy and not me. They did, however, go in and edit evelopedia and associated policy threads to make it crystal clear that what I did was a no-go. That's a lot of trouble those GMs went to for something I did that took only a few moments just to make sure the rules were clear. The thing is, if I (or most others who ride the grey line) were to have something happen where I felt favoritism was shown, I'd probably be yapping about it in the forums. This player community is insane. By that I mean there are some real nutters that share space with us and will go to ridiculous lengths to support whatever stupid crusade they are on. I'm certain CCP is more cognizant of that than I... they know you can't bury a story (a'la T20).

If there is a fair shake to be had, it's the petition system. They will take the time to explain everything and make sure both parties are satisfied, or if not satisfied at least aware of the rules and why the judgement shook out the way it did. It's all standard fair.

Acac Sunflyier wrote:
If CCP ever find out that somebody relevant to them, like Chribba for example, were to have violated the EULA in a bannable manner, do you think they'd burry it or let them off with a lesser punishment than they would say John Doe?

Let's say Chribba was selling Veldspar for RL money, as a hypothetical. What I would do is ban him outright because if anyone knows what CCP's policies are, it's him. What you are suggesting, OP, is that CCP might just ignore him? I think in practice though, it would be handled like anyone else getting busted for RMT. He would get a warning and maybe some of his smack or ISK would be impounded. Second offence probably a two week ban and other stuff confiscated. After that, he might get his chars banned altogether. Dealing with it in that vanilla way ensures that when Chribba comes back to the forums to complain about how unfairly he was treated, everyone will be able to see all the events that transpired were handles the same as they might have been handled for anyone else. When Hellicity (sp?) got banned during the riots yah people complained... but eventually all the ins and outs of why ended up on the table and people realized that it would have been the same for anyone else.

Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Take Mittens for example. He's the head of the CSM, runs Goonswarm, proclaims he's the most influential player, and all together makes a lot of noise in Eve. CCP has player accounts that are anonymously apart of the population, hire people from Eve, and is very active in the community. It stands to reason CCP has some kind of relation to Mittens. If mittens were to bot and raise the flags that CCP uses to track bots, do you think they'd go easier on him than anybody else? Perhaps let him off with a warning where they'd usually ban somebody? After all, he's on the CSM, leads an alliance, and does stuff.


Again, Mittens knows the rules better than most, certainly better than I. ...and while I would again ban his a55 in a second for any infraction, CCP wouldn't. He's done some really crazy smack in this game, but like anyone else, he has to follow the rules. If he breaks them the punishment would be no less or greater than it would be for any of us "common" people. He's just in a position to do something huge that effects the whole game... and if what he did was against the rules and it wasn't a repeat offence, I'm sure he would just get a warning. So when you look at it like that, I think at a glance it might seem unjust that everyone is treated the same, but you can't say that it's unfair or favoritism, because after T20 I really haven't heard of even a single creditable case of a dev showing favoritism.

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