EVE General Discussion

... floating around just doing missions. I have ganked these with great pleasure...

Your carebear tears nourish us. and we enjoy your fail attemps at trolling.

I would like to say it is currently a little too easy for us some of the challange has gone but thats fine we just move to higher sec systems.

We kill them on station undock...

So...that is all you do? PvC? Player Vs Carebear? No research, or playing the ISK market, just monotonous killing? Ok, whatever, hope that works out for you.

1) I am amazed and shocked because of the amount of people who are unable to read 7k words, as they themselves claim. Are there so many people who cannot do that? Humanity is doomed, I tell you

2) A post of highest quality, enjoyed reading. Also agree on most parts.

3) There seriously needs to be a complete mining redesign. It needs to be more interactive and it should involve some skill and/or knowledge in order to get the most isk out of it. That way people would actually play the game while mining and not just wait until the cycle completes. If CCP would do that, they can consider revamping missions as well (like adding Sleeper AI at least)

(I am thinking about a mechanics similar to PI for example, where you have to scan the asteroid and manually aim the lasers at the points with the highest ore concentration, or something like that. I am sure CCP can come up with something, they just need to want to)

Seriously, OP's attempt at justifying his killboard-padding, epeen-stroking, egotistical, self-centered, fascist, dictatorial, and misguided attempts to force others to play the game the way he thinks it should be played are utterly amusing.

I read the whole thread (yes, all 7000+ words, and 6 pages of responses), and whole-heartedly think (and this is my opinion, for those that know the difference between it and fact) that the OP needs to be on some strong medication, or institutionalized, for whatever condition he is suffering from.

I can honestly admit that I am a high-sec miner, have never even considered using any form of bot or macro, and enjoy mining (even it means I make less isk per hour than other activities). I use the profits that I do make to fund my alts and their activities, which are less profitable. I enjoy mining, because it is a simple task and relaxing. Mining gives me the chance to play a game that I enjoy, think over and evaluate all of my real life actions and experiences from the day. It gives the opportunity to, possibly, meet and converse with people with other perspectives from around the world.

I have met a number of people, both new players and vets alike, while mining, and had pleasant conversations with them. Conversation is a stimulating, social activity, that requires more concentration than is available when engaged in PVP.

If miners are so evil (discounting the whiners that want ganking removed), why have I discovered that most of the miners that I have met in game, are more philosophical and intellectual than most of the PVPers I have met (no offense intended to the PVPers). Suicide gankers, on the other hand, are bottom-feeders who have no concept of risk or enjoyment of a well-earned kill.

Ganking is not PVP in any way. Ganking is no more stimulating or exciting than beating up the elderly. You are trying to "fight" someone who is not capable of fighting back. Where is the challenge? Where is the thrill? If someone thinks that either of those things exist in ganking, then they are a pathetic excuse for a human.

However, gankers choose to play the game the way they want to. That is allowed within the game mechanics, and, above all, is their choice. They are entitled to have their opinion, just as I am entitled to have mine. Are they wrong to gank defenseless victims? Perhaps, perhaps not; regardless, I am not qualified to judge that. I am allowed to have an opinion, though, as are they.

I believe that ganking should remain a viable option within the mechanics of the game. However, I believe that it should be made more difficult than it currently is. The ability to destroy a 200+ million isk ship with a ship that only cost a few million is unbalanced. Gankers should be forced to incur higher expenses to achieve their desired goal. I agree with most of the people wanting a buff to mining barges and exhumers. I don't think that ganking should be made impossible though; just more difficult.

To conclude, gank if you want to, but try to morally justify what you are doing. Realize and accept that you are ganking simply to have fun at some other player's expense. You do it to try to ruin some other human's fun. Ganking is not evil. Mining is not evil. Both are allowed, and acceptable, methods of playing in the sandbox. If you want to stomp on other kids' sandcastles, go ahead. But be prepared for the day you get punched in the face for doing it to the wrong kid.

Fly safe (for the miners) / Get Concordokkened (for the gankers)
--Armored Phoenix

That post was seriously crazy man I got to admit I didn't read it all but god damn.

Yeah high sec miners are pretty lame, why they even play the game at all is beyond me. I have always thought profitable rocks should only be out in low sec and null sec to create more PvP/industry hybrid corps, but sadly I guess CCP does not share my thoughts. High sec miners simply do not get the entire experience of eve or even seem to care, I think they just get off on the fact that they can make more cash in a video than in real life and it gives them a self esteem boost lol.

I told myself I wouldn't comment, but I can't not. Great thread, 10/10, all that.

Mining as it stands as an activity is bot-fodder. Of course, there's no statistics on how many of the miners are actually botters, or they'd be banned already. However, enough of them are bot-like to the point of lack of self-preservation, which gives easy kills to suicide gankers.

Whether they kill miners for kicks, to pad killboards, or for an extensively-documented ideological crusade against bots is irrelevant. The beatings need to continue until morale improves (and the only ones being killed are bots). Or, until the mining system improves.

Look at PI, the other monotonous industry "I don't want to be bothered by PvP" activity. It doesn't even require you to be on site to make profit. However, it requires skill and knowledge beyond just knowing how to fit your ship (which is honestly a 10-minute endeavor in EFT). There are tons of good suggestions in F&I on how to do this, and I don't see suicide ganking stopping until botting and AFK mining stops.

To those who have pointed out that mission runners are just as bad, that is true, but they are also harder to operate with a bot. This results in a player being actually there, which can cause interesting consequences if you, say, do some ninja salvaging.

Rock on, OP, and keep resembling, at the same time, Mittani, karttoon, and that dude who led Germany in WWII whose name I can't type on the forums.