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Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7

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Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-02-08 19:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
You defently got my votes Hans, Changes need to come to other parts of eve and eve is not just 0.0
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#102 - 2012-02-08 19:44:24 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Cearain wrote:
.....


screecher





I'm sure reading facts about your csm6 and how it compared with Mynxee's csm 5 must seem unpleasantly screechy to you. But that doesn't really address the truth of what I said.

Despite your put downs to Mynxee and csm 5 they actually worked for the players.

Your csm 6 seemed to have very little connection to the players. It did seem to be connected to you at the hip though. Its going to be hard for them to claim otherwise although I think they will.

Hans will have nothing to gain from talking with you during this election. What are you going to do give him more advise to stop trying to get a broader vote than the faction war crowd?? Yeahright. Not everyone is as dumb as the people you typically tell what to do.

Thats not to say he won't work with you, if he is elected but you are correct you and hans pretty much have different constituants and therefore different issues.

CCP will know that as well. If Hans doesn't make it on CSM, then CCP will know they don't have the benefit of anyone who represents low sec. If hans makes it they will likely listen to him much more than you about low sec issues. And it will be vice versa about null sec.

Now that CCP is considering improving eve again its time to get people like Mynxee back on the csm. I think Hans fits that bill better than anyone else running.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#103 - 2012-02-08 19:52:54 UTC
Off topic posts removed. I strongly recommend to stay on topic and polite from now on.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2012-02-08 19:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
yeah, let hans get back to dodging my query on his npc corps stance
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#105 - 2012-02-08 20:03:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Cearain wrote:
Tsubutai wrote:
You wrote a 20 page pdf with, like, 50 references to the mittani. Uh..... wow.


Has anyone on csm 6 differentiated themselves from the mittani on any low sec issue? When it comes to low sec the mittani= csm6. And when it comes to low sec mittani has been fairly straight forward in saying he had nothing to offer.

Since Mynxee was chair did anyone do anything for low sec? All of her momentum that she built for low sec and all of the work she did to try to get things going has been squandered on csm6. Hans is the person who has demonstrated he will pick up that thread and work with the low sec community just like he has with the fw community.

If anything I know about tuskers is true, then Hans should get your vote. You may not like certain particular ideas (for example I think the gcc should be 3 minutes not 10) but the overall goals like this:

Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

-Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!

-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!

-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!

-Send the message that we are not here to be “co-opted” by nullsec groups!

are hard to refute.

Hans has researched the community and found the ideas that players want. That’s what mynxee was all about too.

I mean if hans is going to be asked to go to a csm summit and the only thing dealing with low sec is FW will be crammed in with a bunch of other “little things” he will do something about it.

Mynxee and csm 5 was pretty clearly told by ccp that they weren’t going to work on low sec or fw for 18 months. CSM5 and mynxee said well I think that is a horrible idea but eventurally determined that nothing they could do at that time would change ccp. So they just put that in the minutes and basically said good luck to the game.

Many on the csm 5 saw the game was heading down a crap path so pretty much unsubbed. The players didn’t see it so clearly although there was some uproar at those minutes. However after several crap expansions what they predicted came true. Eve languished and players unsubbed.

Now Mittani claims I am a “screecher.” Yet if we are to do some “realtalk” we will see that not only was failing to listen to csm 5 bad for the players it was bad for ccp. It was not until the situation became so dire that they had to layoff 20% of their staff worldwide before they finally realized they can’t just let eve sit.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/19/ccp-layoffs-affect-20-of-worldwide-staff-company-focusing-on-e/

Now just before this time Mittani was writing articles “in defense of incarna.”

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/61

Why was he defending the worst expansion ever? Politics. If he scratches ccp’s back they will play up csm and make him look good. And that happened. Look at how happy csm and ccp were with eachother early on. CSM even played damage control at the emergency summit. Look at the meetings with mittens and ccp employees on youtube trying to reassure player the game isn’t going to ****. In exchange CCP was all happy to claim csm has done all sorts of wonderful things. The circle jerk they had going on alienated allot of players from both csm and ccp.

It wasn’t until these bad decisions (that csm5 decried back in june 2010) took such a hold on ccp’s financials that no one could deny the stupidity any longer, that mittens finally admitted that ccp needs to work on EVE. When was that goonion address? Sept or October of 2011?? That’s over a year after csm 5 already called that one.

Well better late than never. But really we don’t need politicians like that. And sadly no one in csm 6 ever stepped outside of mitten’s lockstep.

We need people who like mynxee will listen to the players and if ccp chooses to ignore them will let the players know that in no uncertain terms. This is the best for the players and the best for ccp.

I’m not saying Hans has done as much for eve as mynxee has but he is a newer player, than she is, and has already demonstrated he is willing to do that sort of work – if he is given the chance.


I would just like to say this is a good post. I support what Cearain says here and I do believe that CSM 7 needs a break with the style of CSM 6. Eve Online needs representatives with more character, more ideas, and less monolithic dependence on nullsec voting blocs.

With all the focus on lockstep unity and a single figurehead over CSM6 I think the political process became degraded into something of a farce and it says a lot that the playerbase itself needed to hold CCP to account with the player revolt last summer while the CSM was still attempting to sell a nevil chamberlain style "peace in our time" message on the back of the televised joint PR session with CCP thousand dollar jeans.

Still lets look to the future and the election of some truly diverse representatives this year! I see no reason for despair at all. Lets get behind the good candidates and sweep out the old tired remnants of the IncarnaNeX-collaborationist regime Cool

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#106 - 2012-02-08 20:29:24 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
yeah, let hans get back to dodging my query on his npc corps stance



The Devs fear his power, they always fear our power and the censoring always comes. Plus they can't put some words in a nice photo and then show it to us, so why even have it exist at all.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

None ofthe Above
#107 - 2012-02-08 20:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Hans,

You entering the race has probably destroyed my longshot chance of getting elected to the CSM as a protest vote.

I couldn't be happier.

You have my like(s) and possibly my vote(s). Not only because I'd like to see FW turn into something more interesting and you are the guy to spearhead that, but you conduct yourself in a manner deserving the post.

CSM6 Chair, The Mittani, dropped by to add fuel to your candidacy by some spectacularly boorish behavior. Near eliminating any last vestige of grudging respect for him I've had.

If there is any justice in this world, his spewing contempt for the voterbase as a campaign strategy will lead to his ousting from the Chairmanship if not the CSM itself. Maybe even step up efforts to attack and eliminate his corp from game (again), at least until they tire of him. Not holding my breath for justice in EVE, but it would be nice to see.

Good luck and hope to see you as CSM7 chair.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#108 - 2012-02-08 20:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Indeed there was a difference between the CSM5 that mynxee ran and CSM6. Mittani drew the line in the sand himself when he denounced the CSM5 by saying this about csm 5:

"…. the war against drooling hisec missionrunners, lowsec k/d pirates, and 'elite pvp' nullsec nonsovholders is only beginning; it is CSM time, and the current crop of idiots is looking to ruin everything we know about sovereign space despite having never lived there themselves.We are now uniting with our allies (and even our nominal foes) to ensure that the Nullsec Bloc seizes control over the CSM, Jump Bridges aren't removed from the game, and that CCP is forced to get a clue……. In this past year, CCP claims they have begun to 'listen' to the CSM, and what a time to listen. Most major nullsec alliances gave up on the CSM ages ago, and this year-long term is full of nobodies and carebears."


I think CSM5 with mynxee as chair (what the mittani refers to as a "crop of idiots") did a really good job trying to find out what players wanted and communicating with players what they were doing. CCP would have done well to listen to them but instead learned some lessons the hard way.

Like Mynxee who did a low sec idea scale and other round table disscussions, Hans is very much involved in the community and trying to understand where player consensus is so that it can be taken to ccp. CSM 6 I'm sorry to say has done very little to actually interact with players.

CSM 5 used to post the raw logs of what was discussed at meetings and who said what. Now we get these lame minutes that tell us very little about what the individuals on csm are actually promoting.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Azriel Geist
Pure Victory
#109 - 2012-02-08 20:43:18 UTC
And my Axe!

My vote is with you, Hans.
Lyrrashae
Albertica Bludgers' Union
#110 - 2012-02-08 21:42:05 UTC
Finally, someone who gets it.

You have my axe Heavy Missile Launcher IIs!

(And my Falcon, as well. Because those always come in handy.)Bear

Ni.

Simyaldee
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-02-08 21:52:59 UTC
Haven't really seen a Lotta Caldari Militia in here but I think i speak for most of us when I say that you have my vote here too Hans fight for the attention FW deserves.

Member, Fighter and FC for The Great Harmon Institute of Technology 

Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-02-08 22:02:33 UTC
Well Hans, I wish you the best of luck, however, I hope you are ready for certain blocs to come after you in the political sense- flaming, trolling, digging up dirt and anything else that can be used to discredit you.
You have my vote.

 ** Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius**

VCBee 2fast2furious
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#113 - 2012-02-08 22:02:41 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
I would just like to say this is a good post. I support what Cearain says here and I do believe that CSM 7 needs a break with the style of CSM 6. .


Perhaps they could take a leaf out of CSM 1's book and spend their entire term squabbling like 4 year olds and achieving nothing of any substance whatsoever?
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#114 - 2012-02-08 22:12:58 UTC
Thank you for all the inquiries.....please remember I still have my 9-5 job, and a wife, and sleep to attend to....so allow sufficient time for me to get back to your questions.

When the weekend comes I can camp my computer 24/7 but in the mean time, no need to accuse me of ignoring anything. It just takes time for me to respond to each of you...and I'd always prefer to wait a bit and rather answer a question with a thorough response than toss out a half-ass answer.

That's just the way I'm trying to run this campaign, I appreciate your understanding!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Deen Wispa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-02-08 22:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
I'll take a manager who has patience serving customers for 8 hours a day than an intelligent lawyer who is dismissive and abrasive towards a playerbase that is not of his 'kind'.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#116 - 2012-02-08 22:20:35 UTC
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Well Hans, I wish you the best of luck, however, I hope you are ready for certain blocs to come after you in the political sense- flaming, trolling, digging up dirt and anything else that can be used to discredit you.
You have my vote.


Oh, I'm ready. You don't spend this much time on the interwebz without seeing the worst of it. Thought it hasn't been aimed my direction yet, as the campaign grows with popular support (and it has already, rapidly) we will certainly see candidates that used to be "secure" in the race start to panic a little and go on the offensive.

It is to be expected. Just keep an eye out for when it comes, and simply realize that increased mudslinging from supporters of other campaigns is a good sign of success.

I also urge those that may be speaking on my behalf to please, please, please, keep your arguments rooted in reality. I will endeavor to do the same. If you are arguing with someone and they prove you wrong, and admit it. Don't let them make a fool of you. Fact check, post references, but don't be pulling things out of your asses. Let the other guys do that!

Thank you all for your support, I couldn't do this without all my friends here.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund
Goonswarm Federation
#117 - 2012-02-08 22:28:28 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Well Hans, I wish you the best of luck, however, I hope you are ready for certain blocs to come after you in the political sense- flaming, trolling, digging up dirt and anything else that can be used to discredit you.
You have my vote.


Oh, I'm ready. You don't spend this much time on the interwebz without seeing the worst of it. Thought it hasn't been aimed my direction yet, as the campaign grows with popular support (and it has already, rapidly) we will certainly see candidates that used to be "secure" in the race start to panic a little and go on the offensive.

It is to be expected. Just keep an eye out for when it comes, and simply realize that increased mudslinging from supporters of other campaigns is a good sign of success.

I also urge those that may be speaking on my behalf to please, please, please, keep your arguments rooted in reality. I will endeavor to do the same. If you are arguing with someone and they prove you wrong, and admit it. Don't let them make a fool of you. Fact check, post references, but don't be pulling things out of your asses. Let the other guys do that!

Thank you all for your support, I couldn't do this without all my friends here.


as long as you haven't run an internet space brothel you're probably ok on the dirt side
Vordak Kallager
This Game Is Terrible
HYDRA RELOADED
#118 - 2012-02-08 22:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vordak Kallager
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Well Hans, I wish you the best of luck, however, I hope you are ready for certain blocs to come after you in the political sense- flaming, trolling, digging up dirt and anything else that can be used to discredit you.
You have my vote.


Oh, I'm ready. You don't spend this much time on the interwebz without seeing the worst of it. Thought it hasn't been aimed my direction yet, as the campaign grows with popular support (and it has already, rapidly) we will certainly see candidates that used to be "secure" in the race start to panic a little and go on the offensive.

It is to be expected. Just keep an eye out for when it comes, and simply realize that increased mudslinging from supporters of other campaigns is a good sign of success.

I also urge those that may be speaking on my behalf to please, please, please, keep your arguments rooted in reality. I will endeavor to do the same. If you are arguing with someone and they prove you wrong, and admit it. Don't let them make a fool of you. Fact check, post references, but don't be pulling things out of your asses. Let the other guys do that!

Thank you all for your support, I couldn't do this without all my friends here.


as long as you haven't run an internet space brothel you're probably ok on the dirt side


****, Hans. We might have some cover-up work to do.

/sarcasm

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Leontyne Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-02-08 23:18:02 UTC
If the voting system used something sensible like STV I'd vote for you #2 or #3.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#120 - 2012-02-08 23:56:27 UTC
VCBee 2fast2furious wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I would just like to say this is a good post. I support what Cearain says here and I do believe that CSM 7 needs a break with the style of CSM 6. .


Perhaps they could take a leaf out of CSM 1's book and spend their entire term squabbling like 4 year olds and achieving nothing of any substance whatsoever?


That might well be the mythology that is now doing the rounds. But truthfully CSM1 achieved quite a lot which given the blank slate law of the jungle style introduction is still quite amazing. That said it was a fairly brutal turf war between nullsec blocs and independent players even then. And my big regret for CSM 1 was that the nullsec reps managed to block all progressive change to 0.0 mechanics purely because they wanted to protect their space empires.

And this really is the problem. I think nullsec reps are too dependent on their powerbloc (and placating the masses in that bloc) to be able to look at the game with any real sense of objectivity - its always about "whats good for me" rather than "whats good for the game as a whole" and since the essence of building 0.0 empires is about collecting as many advantages and roadblocks to anybody else taking whats yours away ... *shrugs* thats where the problems occur.

I hope we'll avoid this sort of thing with the next CSM and having a far more balanced group of delegates can only help.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom