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CSM for High Sec? Isnt April the first a few months away?

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#1 - 2012-02-01 20:35:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
First of not a candiacy thread more of an argument

Well for those of you want to know a little about me ingame

In chronologicla order been an idiot, noob, victim, scammed, ex-anti-pirate, betrayed, XO of a corp, negogaitor, miner, industralist, escort pilot, heavy logistics pilot, decoy, punching bag, realizes is an idiot, scout, patrolman, border gaurd, blood hound, flunkie, conquerer, gaurdian, squad member screaming over the FC's command's trying to override his authority after the guy ordered eveyrone else to warp onto a seige while he warps away in the other direction, GW1-GW1.5 vet, retired from combat, and since then in high sec a shipwright, CEO of a 1 man corp, vegabond, outlaw in amarr, and a bit of a visionary, a public outlet and ambassador for a secret ingame society, role player, and a budding market trying to secure a corner of the market in space as it seem to be that I am the worst mission runner of my character's age in existence and I guess Forum Warrior and fur ball as somone labeled me recently. Constant Disconnects do not help at all

After all of this I guess you can say has given me a rather jaded view of how Eve should be. I do know its rather clear to most others who have bothered to read into it, but I don't see eve the same way everyone else does. As the one speech goes, live in california once leave before you grow too soft, live in new york once leave before you become too rough

Overall I don't see Eve as 'divided' into specific zones of doing things or things happen here because there is a well undesrtood number that arbitarly relates to 'safety.' Or arguments on game play style varying from one point of view or another and seeminlgy never agree with way things are and should be. Anyone who paid too much attention would know that I often argue against myself in attempt to rile up others. I post things in vague yet behind one or two lines is an entire thought process I rather not spill onto people's eyes and more into the hopes it gets somone else gears turning

I see Eve as a whole living breathing environment, certain parts function in if one part fails, it all falls apart and dies. I see eve evolve apdating to her envrionment and her desires. I see Eve not devied up into little peices, places and corners that everyone wants to be selfish with and own all on thier own. Eve may have an envrionment to fight, but that envrionment is full of people and they are much as part of Eve as the little blinking crosses that are peppering your ship with numbers and unlike those crosses, these people dont forget offenses made against them. They remember and they will tresspass somone else's definition of the game eventually

Where am I going with this you may ask? I am just simply going to state that out of all the groups of players in Eve, PVErs in Highsec are some of the blindest and least impactual in terms of being one with the Eve's desire

To say that I am anti-casual would be hyprocritcal, I am an casual eve player myself. It just that it seems that High sec CSM candidtates really dont seem to understand what they are trying to advocate, promote, or support. How many of them destroy entire corporations in high sec with thier wallet alone without hiring a single mercenary? How many particpiated in elemininating thier rivals without lifting a weapon at them? How many of them ended a high sec war with victory or a means braver than running away? How many of them agressively taken over a market and said to damn with any other traders here? How many of these players actually interacted with others on any significant envrioment changing scale? Chances are very unlikley because that isn't the nature of 'high sec' inhabitants, but it is the nature of high sec players which are a breed apart

What many of these candidates can't understand is that not everyone plays the high sec game that they have imagined in thier minds. I've seen the games, I've seen them played poorly and played well and the nature found in high sec is by far much more barbaric than null and these CSMs candidates running for high sec cannot seem to see the ocean for all the sharks it has

To run for CSM high sec as thier hailing like putting oneself wrapped in bloody meat into the ocean with no cage, its not going to be pretty for a small fish. There are far better platforms to run for, there are far better ideals to take up. They are running for such a small niche corner that they belive is there but is probably nearly non existent or cannot be bothered enough to care

To run on an industrial platform, to run on a scientific platform, or even the role play platform is much better than running for 'high sec as it seems so abmigous to what is high sec? I much rather have a 'Noob' candidate running on the behalf of all new players making NPE better than a high sec platform. The bottom line is this 'security' of space doesnt resonate though out Eve as a new combat ship can, there are simply players who do not care for such sec number's existence and from the looks of the rate in suicide ganking in high sec or the miners in low sec it just doesnt seem they care that much about it

The ideals that 0.0 players have however are reveberatent though all sectors of space. They encourage player ownership of the game, they want players to rule and lead and follow a script of thier own creation and if you havent been living on another rock for the last few years thats what Eve has always been about. Players forging something beyond themselves here and 0.0 CSM candidates will always run on those core platforms. As CCP marketing puts it "Eve Online: The Universe is yours." To which I always aftermaket state "Take it if you can."

With that I swear to never to vote for anyone running for highsec
Bring something meatier to the table next time not this lightweight animal-free salad

This is Nova Fox and I'm not running for CSM and I approve this message.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-01 20:37:10 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
First of not a candiacy thread more of an argument.

Well for those of you want to know a little about me ingame.

In chronologicla order been an idiot, noob, victim, scammed, ex-anti-pirate, betrayed, XO of a corp, negogaitor, miner, industralist, escort pilot, heavy logistics pilot, decoy, punching bag, scount, patrolman, blood hound, flunkie, conquerer, gaurdian, squad member screaming over the FC's command's trying to override his authority after the guy ordered eveyrone else to warp onto a seige and he warps in the other direction, GW1-GW1.5 vet, retired from combat, and since then in high sec a shipwright, CEO of a 1 man corp, vegabond, outlaw in amarr, and a bit of a visionary, a public outlet and embassador for a secret ingame society, role player, and a budding market trying to secure a corner of the market in space as it seem to be that I am the worst mission runner of my character's age in existence and I guess Forum Warrior as somone labeled me recently. Constant Disconnects do not help at all.

All this I guess you can say has given me a rather jaded view of how Eve should be. I do know its rather clear to most others who have bothered to read into it that I don't see eve the same way everyone else does. As the one speech goes, live in california once leave before you grow too soft, live in new york once leave before you become too rough.

Overall I don't see Eve as 'divided' into specific zones of doing things or things happen here because there is a well undesrtood number that arbitarly relates to 'safety.' Or arguments on game play style varying from one point of view or another and seeminlgy never agree with way things are and should be. Anyone who paid too much attention would know that I often argue against myself in attempt to rile up others. I post things in vague yet behind one or two lines is an entire thought process I rather not spill onto people's eyes and more into the hopes it gets somone else gears turning.

I see eve as a whole living breathing environment, certain parts function in if one part fails, it all falls apart and dies. I see eve evolve apdating to her envrionment and her desires. I see eve not devided into little places and little corners that everyon wants to be selfish with and own all on thier own. Eve may have an envrionment to fight, but that envrionment is full of people and they are much as part of eve as the little blinking crosses that are peppering your ship with numbers and unlike those crosses, these people dont forget offenses made against them.

Where am I going with this you may ask? I am just simply going to state that out of all the groups of players in Eve, PVErs in Highsec are some of the blindest and least impactual in terms of being one with the desire of Eve.

To say that I am anti-casual would be hyprocritcal, I am an casual eve player myself. It just that it seems that High sec CSM candidtate really dont seem to understand what they are trying to advocate, promote, or support. How many of them destroy entire corporations in high sec with thier wallet alone without hiring a single mercenary? How many particpiated in elemininating thier rivals without lifting a weapon at them? How many of them ended a high sec war with victory or a means braver than running away? How many of them agressively taken over a market and said to damn with any other traders here? How many of these players actually interacted with others on any significant envrioment changing scale? Chances are very unlikley because that isn't the nature of 'high sec' inhabitants, but it is the nature of high sec players.

What many of these candidates can't understand is that not everyone plays the high sec game that the one they have imagined in thier minds. I've seen the games, I've seen them played poorly and played well and the nature found in high sec is by far much more barbaric than null and these CSMs candidates running for high sec cannot seem to see the ocean for all the sharks it has.

To run for CSM high sec as thier hailing like putting oneself wrapped in bloody meat into the ocean with no cage, its not going to be pretty for a small fish. There are far better platforms to run for, there are far better ideals to take up. They are running for such a small niche corner that they belive is there but is probably nearly non existent or cannot be bothered enough to care.

To run on an industrial platform, to run on a scientific platform, or even the role play platform is much better than running for 'high sec as it seems so abmigous to what is high sec? I much rather have a 'Noob' candidate running on the behalf of all new players making NPE better than high sec. The bottom line is this 'security' of space doesnt resonate though out eve as a new combat ship can, there are simply players who do not care for such number's existence and from the looks of the rate in suicide ganking in high sec or the miners in low sec it just doesnt seem they care that much about it.

The ideals that 0.0 players have however are reveberatent though all sectors of space. They encourage player ownership of the game, they want players to rule and lead and follow a script of thier own creation and if you havent been living on another rock for the last few years thats what eve has always been about. Players forging something beyond themselves here and 0.0 CSM candidates will always run on those core platforms. As CCP marketing puts it "Eve Online: The universe is yours." To which I always aftermaket state "Take it if you can."

With that I swear to never to vote for anyone running for highsec.
Bring something meatier to the table next time not this lightweight animal-free salad.

This is Nova Fox and I am not running for CSM and I approve this message that I didnt pay anyone to make for me.


If only people put this much effort into real world politics.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#3 - 2012-02-01 20:44:44 UTC
You admit to being an idiot. Thats more than most ever do.


If you ran, I'd at least give you one vote. The other two are taken already.
FeralShadow
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2012-02-01 20:55:05 UTC
Quote:
Where am I going with this you may ask? I am just simply going to state that out of all the groups of players in Eve, PVErs in Highsec are some of the blindest and least impactual in terms of being one with the desire of Eve.


Yes! A thousand times yes!

I agree with basically every one of your points, sir. While you may be rambling some, and have mis-typed quite a few words, your points are incredibly valid.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

met worst
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-02-01 21:39:57 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
You admit to being an idiot. Thats more than most ever do.


If you ran, I'd at least give you one vote. The other two are taken already.

You're going to vote for 3 idiots?!
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-02-01 23:04:15 UTC
PVErs in Highsec are some of the blindest and least impactual in terms of being one with the desire of Eve.



Completely true


I dont give a flying **** about this game
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#7 - 2012-02-01 23:26:35 UTC
A little bit rambling, but still very eloquently said.

EVE is, and always should be about the players. We need more tools to create our own stories, not more hamster-wheel content.

This is something worth listening to, if you have an hour to spare and care about spaceship politics.

http://soundcloud.com/****-on-kugu/****-on-kugu-4

Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#8 - 2012-02-01 23:28:25 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
PVErs in Highsec are some of the blindest and least impactual in terms of being one with the desire of Eve.

This sums it up p much.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 

Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-02-01 23:51:28 UTC
While I agree with a lot of what you said, you could look at it this way: running for CSM as a ~High Sec Rep~ sure does make you stand out since it's not a platform anyone has emphasized in the past. So, if you want to be on CSM because -insert self-gratifying/narcissistic/bullshit reason here-, if you attach yourself to what might appear to be the noble cause of saving high sec from the clutches of evil null overlords, you'll garner support as long as you're passably charismatic or simply attractive to vocal population segments. The Save High Sec platform is thus an ideal stance to take for someone who otherwise doesn't stand a shot at getting a CSM position since there are more apt candidates out there for these established sectors of the council.

There are specific issues in high sec that CCP is already aware of, and then there's the nebulous "fix high sec" (when in fact the content that some complain about is working as intended, they just dont' like the way it's ultimately supposed to work). The latter can more generally be superceded by "fix PvE". Now doesn't that sound like a fun CSM platorm? Quick, if you're wanted your moment in the spotlight, your chance at CSM glory and exposure, grab it!
Ai Shun
#10 - 2012-02-02 00:00:40 UTC
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
While I agree with a lot of what you said, you could look at it this way: running for CSM as a ~High Sec Rep~ sure does make you stand out since it's not a platform anyone has emphasized in the past.


Is it a platform though? More like "And World Peace".
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#11 - 2012-02-02 00:09:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
If I where to run for CSM Id be running it on the behalf of all Eve players in that I want to create a better scifi experince for everyone. From thousand papercuts to reviving dead features into fuller life again. So no, not just high sec, but low null and npc sec and even WH space as well.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#12 - 2012-02-02 00:21:29 UTC
Sorry but not only myself but others have already proclaimed we are for everyone platform. As well as me supporting TOR and WoW players as well.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#13 - 2012-02-02 00:24:59 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Sorry but not only myself but others have already proclaimed we are for everyone platform. As well as me supporting TOR and WoW players as well.


Translation:
I like to make Eve more accessible by improving NPE content and have a wee bit more finger pointing on directions for pilots to go in so they dont stumble around in just high sec but amusingly stumble into low and null sec and causing mayhem eventually.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#14 - 2012-02-02 19:34:31 UTC
Zirse wrote:
A little bit rambling, but still very eloquently said.

EVE is, and always should be about the players. We need more tools to create our own stories, not more hamster-wheel content.

This is something worth listening to, if you have an hour to spare and care about spaceship politics.

http://soundcloud.com/****-on-kugu/****-on-kugu-4




Ill take a listen when I get stuck on my Linux+ homework.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-02-02 19:35:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion
My 8-ball says people like you wouldn't get elected anyways. They don't want people who live in their parent's basement.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-02-02 19:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ajita al Tchar
Ai Shun wrote:
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
While I agree with a lot of what you said, you could look at it this way: running for CSM as a ~High Sec Rep~ sure does make you stand out since it's not a platform anyone has emphasized in the past.


Is it a platform though? More like "And World Peace".


Indeed, that's what it actually is Twisted

But doesn't it SEEM like a platform? I mean, high sec is the 66%, everyone loves world peace, etc.


ETA: FU BBS code parser!
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#17 - 2012-02-02 19:40:11 UTC
Karadion wrote:
My 8-ball says people like you wouldn't get elected anyways. They don't want people who live in their parent's basement.


Nova Fox wrote:
This is Nova Fox and I'm not running for CSM and I approve this message


I been to at least 12 countries in person, and technically if you want to think about its around hmmm 42 if you count every state as thier own country. Last time I checked basements are not that mobile and I never actually been in a house thad had a 'basement'

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2012-02-02 19:40:55 UTC
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
While I agree with a lot of what you said, you could look at it this way: running for CSM as a ~High Sec Rep~ sure does make you stand out since it's not a platform anyone has emphasized in the past.


Is it a platform though? More like "And World Peace".


Indeed, that's what it actually is Twisted

But doesn't it SEEM like a platform? I mean, high sec is the 66%, everyone loves world peace, etc.

ETA: FU BBS code parser!


But its the other 33% with everyhting the other 66% wants to go to war over for.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-02-02 19:40:58 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Karadion wrote:
My 8-ball says people like you wouldn't get elected anyways. They don't want people who live in their parent's basement.


Nova Fox wrote:
This is Nova Fox and I'm not running for CSM and I approve this message


I been to at least 12 countries in person, and technically if you want to think about its around hmmm 42 if you count every state as thier own country. Last time I checked basements are not that mobile and I never actually been in a house thad had a 'basement'

You're terrible at reading.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#20 - 2012-02-02 19:42:02 UTC
Karadion wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Karadion wrote:
My 8-ball says people like you wouldn't get elected anyways. They don't want people who live in their parent's basement.


Nova Fox wrote:
This is Nova Fox and I'm not running for CSM and I approve this message


I been to at least 12 countries in person, and technically if you want to think about its around hmmm 42 if you count every state as thier own country. Last time I checked basements are not that mobile and I never actually been in a house thad had a 'basement'

You're terrible at reading.


You're terrible at speaking.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

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