EVE General Discussion

Don't worry, this thread isn't going anywhere. Our work is by no means done....

I think if anything its only resting a bit because of the heated discussions that flared up over in Warfare & Tactics that have temporarily held the focus of the usual FW suspects.

I know the biggest predictable fear will be the side-flipping argument, but I think in the long run if Faction Warfare becomes enticing overall as a feature and invigorates the community again while drawing in more pilots there will always be a core group in each militia that doesnt flip-flop.

The self-balancing factor is that most of us here are in it for the quick fights and plentiful PvP. The worse times are those when you vastly outnumber your opposing faction, because it means there's no one to shoot at. In the two years I've fought for the Minnie Militia - I'd say roughly 90% of the pilots switching factions in our warfront have gone from the "winning" faction to the side of the underdogs, not the other way around. I can't speak for Gallente / Caldari but I'm assuming its no fun for them either when you have twice as many people as your foe.

You're right, I think the consequences need to be more subtle than 0.0, merely a stronger carrot to encourage plexing and foster participation across time zones. I personally think "occupancy" is a better term to use to describe what we should be fighting over, more so than Sov which has too many nullsec connotations and really is a more permanent description of system control.

For example, if we seize Huola obviously we're not going to be replacing the entire 24th imperial crusade station overnight, but it should be classified as "TLF Occupied" and be able to shoot the now unwelcome former residents.

POCO's are of course another obvious area for impact, If militia corps own POCO's in a system but their enemy wins occupancy, it only makes sense that it would affect POCO operations to some degree, the first thing that comes to mind is a tax penalty. That way there is incentive for POCO cartel corps to make sure the enemy never seizes the system, because losing control would impact customer relations.

I'm also partial to agents in occupied stations being held hostage as POW's, but the economic consequences of this must be considered heavily to prevent total victory where a losing faction gets completely shut out from such an important income source. Too heavy an income penalty and you WILL see faction defection for purely economics reasons.

One solution might be to partially shift some of the LP rewards to plexing or PvP kills, and have a law of diminishing returns where the more systems a particular faction occupies, the less payout there is for a plex victory or player kill. That way, a faction that is being overwhelmed and may not be making much isk because their agents are being held at gunpoint can at least make up for this by being more highly rewarded for taking their territory back.

Blog? Dev note regarding FW? Something mentioned in a Vid Blog? Something other then non-descript notes from a meeting that had little to do with it? (hell it wasnt even important enough to get its own topic)

Give the Amarr more alliances to drop on us :3

How are people finding the addition of alliances in general?

Have any alliances joined fw? I mean, at all?

I completely agree. If the Gallente and Minmatar are allies enough that both enemies appear the same to us, than we should be purple to each other as well.

This is a fantastic common sense solution.

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Thank you, Har! Yes, its time to get this dog and pony show public I guess. We've the hard part done already.

Stay tuned everyone, there will be a full Jita Park statement to come, along with a downloadable platform document for interested voters, and the simultaneous launch of my new blog.

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I just wanted my militia supporters and friends to hear it all first, those that weren't already on-board and in the loop.

It's game time!!

That's a pretty tragic story.