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Lyris Nairn 2012 : Space Friend to All

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-02-01 09:21:24 UTC
Because likes on spacebook are very important you see.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-02-01 09:28:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
okay feel free to continue to believe that the CSM is an irrelevant entity if it helps you sleep better at night ;p


i think you still dont understand, i believe that the CSM could be a great asset to the game, but that its potential is wasted by people who dont care enough, or use it as a joke.

all i said is that i am not voting for lyris or any other goon, not that i wasn't voting at all.

and having this thread at the top of GD helps others see what kind of people are running, good or bad, and i hope they choose better because of it. all in all, everyone wins.
Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#123 - 2012-02-01 09:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You don't say? Well then! Please, share your thoughts.


My ideas re: new player experience/retention are all terrible. I'm waiting for someone in a position of perceived authority to spoon-feed me my opinion.

I actually have a great deal to say on the subject, but no actual solutions to propose, so I elect to keep quiet.

"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community." — EVElopedia

Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#124 - 2012-02-01 09:42:15 UTC
Hecatonis wrote:
Andski wrote:
okay feel free to continue to believe that the CSM is an irrelevant entity if it helps you sleep better at night ;p


i think you still dont understand, i believe that the CSM could be a great asset to the game, but that its potential is wasted by people who dont care enough, or use it as a joke.

all i said is that i am not voting for lyris or any other goon, not that i wasn't voting at all.

and having this thread at the top of GD helps others see what kind of people are running, good or bad, and i hope they choose better because of it. all in all, everyone wins.


I have a feeling that when the goons maintain their position in the CSM (hint: they will), you're still going to refuse to accept that its what the majority of EVE's players want. Classic problem of democracy - when people you don't agree with wins, *obviously* the vote was flawed. After all, everyone you know agrees with you!

Birds of a feather.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#125 - 2012-02-01 09:43:03 UTC
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:

I actually have a great deal to say on the subject, but no actual solutions to propose, so I elect to keep quiet.


Wisdom is a rare trait.

Some of us have fun looking like fools though. Don't judge!
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2012-02-01 09:50:31 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Hecatonis wrote:
Andski wrote:
okay feel free to continue to believe that the CSM is an irrelevant entity if it helps you sleep better at night ;p


i think you still dont understand, i believe that the CSM could be a great asset to the game, but that its potential is wasted by people who dont care enough, or use it as a joke.

all i said is that i am not voting for lyris or any other goon, not that i wasn't voting at all.

and having this thread at the top of GD helps others see what kind of people are running, good or bad, and i hope they choose better because of it. all in all, everyone wins.


I have a feeling that when the goons maintain their position in the CSM (hint: they will), you're still going to refuse to accept that its what the majority of EVE's players want. Classic problem of democracy - when people you don't agree with wins, *obviously* the vote was flawed. After all, everyone you know agrees with you!

Birds of a feather.


i still cant understand were people are getting these ideas that i am refusing the flow of progress

me a while ago wrote:
no, what i am saying is that i do not like how you play our game and i am not going to help you continue to push it into a direction i do not wish it to go.


i am not "going to refuse to accept that its what the majority of EVE's players want," a statment that is completely devoid of meaning when you look at the voter turn out, i am just not going to support a position that is in conflict to my own.

you people really need to read what is being said instead of assume what you think is correct.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#127 - 2012-02-01 09:55:36 UTC
Hecatonis wrote:
a statment that is completely devoid of meaning when you look at the voter turn out


filters like that work. if someone is apathetic, and decides not to vote, how meaningful exactly would his vote have been if he had?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2012-02-01 09:59:39 UTC

My friends don't lie. My friends aren't hypocrites.
My friends don't repeatedly post stuff when they are drunk.

You are not my friend.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#129 - 2012-02-01 09:59:40 UTC
A member of GoonWaffe, space friends?

I don't buy it!


The devil will be wearing a halo next.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2012-02-01 10:02:55 UTC

Don't trust a goon when he talks about new player experience.

They spoil them. They ruin the whole growing up/experience path.
They pick insecure people with no real self esteem and give them the false
feeling of might and awesomeness.

That said ... it's probably no loss, because smart people with character wouldn't join the goons anyway.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#131 - 2012-02-01 10:06:35 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
This thread is going to end in absolute disaster.


Yes, I am allergic go cats. In other news: Cats smell.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#132 - 2012-02-01 10:07:41 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:

Don't trust a goon when he talks about new player experience.

They spoil them. They ruin the whole growing up/experience path.
They pick insecure people with no real self esteem and give them the false
feeling of might and awesomeness.

That said ... it's probably no loss, because smart people with character wouldn't join the goons anyway.


I don't see much loss in skipping all the boring faction grinding and missioning to start doing this on day 2 of your character's existence.

(He was the entire reason 3 tengus, a drake and an osprey were killed. hero tackle!)
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2012-02-01 10:08:26 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
This thread is going to end in absolute disaster.


Yes, I am allergic go cats. In other news: Cats smell.


Well, yes. They have a nose, so they can smell. No ?

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Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-02-01 10:08:37 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Hecatonis wrote:
a statment that is completely devoid of meaning when you look at the voter turn out


filters like that work. if someone is apathetic, and decides not to vote, how meaningful exactly would his vote have been if he had?




A non-vote is a vote, it just can't be measured easily.


Some reasons for not voting:

Can't be bothered.
They don't like the system of voting, therefore they don't.
They have no faith in any of the candidates (difficult to have faith in people you don't know).




Now if there was a get rid of the CSMs on the list of options, I'm sure you would see more votes.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2012-02-01 10:08:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

Don't trust a goon when he talks about new player experience.

They spoil them. They ruin the whole growing up/experience path.
They pick insecure people with no real self esteem and give them the false
feeling of might and awesomeness.

That said ... it's probably no loss, because smart people with character wouldn't join the goons anyway.


I don't see much loss in skipping all the boring faction grinding and missioning to start doing this on day 2 of your character's existence.

(He was the entire reason 3 tengus, a drake and an osprey were killed. hero tackle!)


Exceptions aren't the rule. Besides, no one is forced to faction grind or mission.
That's just what the (edit: boring, generic) idiots do who don't know better.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#136 - 2012-02-01 10:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Solstice Project wrote:

Exceptions aren't the rule.


He thinks that's the exception. Lol

While his particular day 2 kills were extremely shiny, pretty much every single newbro we bring on to fleets ends up doing something hilarious or awesome, eventually leading to the loss of his ship and several hundred million deposited in his wallet by fleetmates for the good time.

We make a point of keeping EVE fun, and giving new players a chance to experience the best parts of EVE before they burn out doing the **** they'd be doing otherwise.

And highsec activities are all roughly on par with the excitement of mission running. Most of us nullseccers didn't just jump straight into 0.0, we trudged through that crap. Hence why we make a point to make 0.0 accessible to our newbros - so they don't have to.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#137 - 2012-02-01 10:16:29 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:

Don't trust a goon when he talks about new player experience.

They spoil them. They ruin the whole growing up/experience path.
They pick insecure people with no real self esteem and give them the false
feeling of might and awesomeness.

That said ... it's probably no loss, because smart people with character wouldn't join the goons anyway.


If you're stupid enough to believe that, go ahead. Truth is, we just recruit from Something Awful. Don't even bother trying to throw that blanket on a forum with 150k+ members.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Roime
Yamagata Syndicate
Shadow Cartel
#138 - 2012-02-01 10:18:45 UTC
You go girl :D

best thread in a while 10/10

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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#139 - 2012-02-01 10:19:08 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
get rid of the CSM


You're an idiot.

Roime wrote:
You go girl :D

best thread in a while 10/10



Lyris is male.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Roime
Yamagata Syndicate
Shadow Cartel
#140 - 2012-02-01 10:20:35 UTC
Nooooooooooo she has a fiancee

and kittens

<3

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