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Scammed, and not sure how.

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Bait James
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2012-01-31 03:00:28 UTC
Marhaba wrote:
Bait James wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
I don't have the time or patience to respond to all of these posts, the bottom line is that the trade window is broken and needs to be addressed.


ORLY? There are other things that need fixing more. Like checking the trade before hitting accept.



He wouldn't have been able to do anything no matter how long he checked. It is an exploit as outlined here
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=517991&page=1
It was supposed to have been fixed 5 years ago


But that's NOT the scam that I used. I never hit accept while 95m was shown. I changed the amount before I hit accept. In your link, the amount is changed after. So, please don't slander me and accuse me of exploiting.

If he had waited for me to hit accept first, there would have been no problem. Then again, i would have never hit accept with 95m in the window, so he'd be waiting a long time.



What you did is exactly the same exploit. Hard to weasel out when you describe how you did it, and the entire trick relies on the lag of a high pop system to pull off.

It is an exploit. Has been for 5 years. Learn to scam without needing to exploit.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#202 - 2012-01-31 04:09:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
The fault of the decent into a state of tyranny rests on the shoulders of the apathetic.

…except that scamming is explicitly and purposefully allowed by the game designers. Its existence has nothing to do with apathy.


I would classify being scammed by a lagging trade window as an exploit. The particular one has been around for years and resulting in the loss of at least one T2 BPO (before invention).
Toto Zinny
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2012-01-31 05:35:56 UTC
If the player found a exploit that allowed them to steal money from CCP, then I am sure that CCP would sit up and take notice.
If this exploit exists then it should be fixed in some way, asap.
Marhaba
Dissolution Syndicate
#204 - 2012-02-01 02:02:41 UTC
Bait James wrote:
Marhaba wrote:
Bait James wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
I don't have the time or patience to respond to all of these posts, the bottom line is that the trade window is broken and needs to be addressed.


ORLY? There are other things that need fixing more. Like checking the trade before hitting accept.



He wouldn't have been able to do anything no matter how long he checked. It is an exploit as outlined here
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=517991&page=1
It was supposed to have been fixed 5 years ago


But that's NOT the scam that I used. I never hit accept while 95m was shown. I changed the amount before I hit accept. In your link, the amount is changed after. So, please don't slander me and accuse me of exploiting.

If he had waited for me to hit accept first, there would have been no problem. Then again, i would have never hit accept with 95m in the window, so he'd be waiting a long time.



What you did is exactly the same exploit. Hard to weasel out when you describe how you did it, and the entire trick relies on the lag of a high pop system to pull off.

It is an exploit. Has been for 5 years. Learn to scam without needing to exploit.


It's not, though. In the exploit version, your screen can show the correct amount of isk and a green check mark. In my version, there is NEVER a green check mark with the correct amount of isk. This is a critical difference. My scam can be avoided by simply waiting for my green check mark to appear, looking at the amount of isk it shows, and then hitting accept.

My marks are either hitting accept as soon as they drop their item in the window (meaning they didn't have time to re-check the isk), or they didn't pay close attention to the number of zeroes after seeing I had hit accept.

I've had something like two dozen people tell me that they are petitioning me for exploiting, and not once has a GM so much as said a peep to me. This is not an exploit. If you want to continue claiming it is an exploit, you'll need to provide some proof, since you're the one making the claim.
Argaral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2012-02-01 02:13:09 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
Seatox wrote:
The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.

What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.

Use the contract system instead.


Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there.

Feligast wrote:
and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it.


Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code.


if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once


Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?

I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one.


What are you, ********?

You got scammed, legitimately by a very widely known scam. If in 4 years, you haven't been affected congratulations on pure luck. If that dominix was 1/3 of your savings, buy another one and rat with it. Hell you can afk rat with the thing to get its cost back in a night. If it was your first BC and had nothing but a noobship, we may feel a bit more sorry

For now, you've copped a set back. You'll recover easily. Welcome to EVE
Rubix Khamsi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#206 - 2012-02-01 03:47:51 UTC
trade window should be fixed...Even if the other user edited his ISK back to zero and clicked the check mark again...Its hardly noticeable and IMO is not working as intended...

Fix it!
nate555
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#207 - 2012-02-01 04:27:07 UTC
Scamming is only legal up to a certain point. You have valid defense. I hope you get your isk back
Ehn Roh
#208 - 2012-02-01 06:14:16 UTC
Zarcan wrote:
I'm just really surprised that you all feel that way.

.


No you're not, or else you wouldn't have spent all your time bumbling around hi-sec.

People are piling on your for ranting that you expect that ripping people off would somehow be ban-able because it's a ridiculous statement from a "vet".

Exploiting is obviously not cool and lag sucks. Not a fan of intentionally obtuse interfaces either.

But scamming is a valid use of one's gameplay time, as is murdering, extorting, stealing, terrorizing, anchoring giant -secure-can dong statues, and just plain blowing crap up.

Not everyone wants to do it, but when people do something constructive it is all the more impressive that they managed to get it done despite all that other nonsense going on.
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#209 - 2012-02-01 07:00:14 UTC
Zarcan wrote:



Check your wallet transactions. (from AGLAIA Thaleia, which is my trade alt).

Everyone eventually gets burned on something. UI is ****. Live and learn.



Live long and prosper

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Zarcan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#210 - 2012-02-01 07:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarcan
Ehn Roh wrote:
Zarcan wrote:
I'm just really surprised that you all feel that way.

.


No you're not, or else you wouldn't have spent all your time bumbling around hi-sec.

People are piling on your for ranting that you expect that ripping people off would somehow be ban-able because it's a ridiculous statement from a "vet".

Exploiting is obviously not cool and lag sucks. Not a fan of intentionally obtuse interfaces either.

But scamming is a valid use of one's gameplay time, as is murdering, extorting, stealing, terrorizing, anchoring giant -secure-can dong statues, and just plain blowing crap up.

Not everyone wants to do it, but when people do something constructive it is all the more impressive that they managed to get it done despite all that other nonsense going on.



I think we've seen pretty decent evidence that this is an exploit that needs to be fixed.


Riley Moore wrote:
Zarcan wrote:



Check your wallet transactions. (from AGLAIA Thaleia, which is my trade alt).

Everyone eventually gets burned on something. UI is ****. Live and learn.



Live long and prosper


Wow. Thank you sir. o7
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2012-02-01 07:18:53 UTC
I'm amazed that this thread is still alive. Only the Eve Online community could amuse themselves for three weeks over someone being burned by something as obscure as a "lag scam."