Science & Industry

The original title said Heavy Beam Laser, not Dual Heavy Beam.



That's exactly what I will tell you. You can always generate more T2 BPCs and run 10 production line at a time on a single alt while with a BPO, you can only have 1 production line going.

Yes, you can do 1 BPO and 9 BPC production but you're just blurring up both invention and owning BPO now.

I said exactly that in the bit you quoted. I also said volume was much much lower than what you were reporting.


And yet, you completely missed his point. Invention will always give lower profit per item than a T2 BPO, if only because of datacore cost. So if building from BPO loses money, inventing must lose even more. Hence the question, where are those items coming from?

No doubt and no need to discuss about this! But that was at no point a question of this topic!



1) Yes, can be, but there are easier ways to do so. Building T2 raw materials from minerals to produce a T2 loss item means to much efforts for people who don't care about profit anyway. In connection with point 3) this may be a reason

2) The only explaination which can answer the question so far from my point of view. Oversupply.

3) Absolutely. There are a lot of people outside who do not think about what they do. But can those people afford T2 BPOs and are clever enough to use them? ^^ Maybe enough of them are producing this item? I don't know...

short answer: because its a bad item, noone ever uses for something. Never saw a ship shooting with DHB lasers.

Even Dual Heavy Pulses are rarely used although they have pretty nice stats.

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I think this has been trolled completely off track. OP's question, however badly phrased, boils down to "If I can't make a single isk producing this item FROM A RESEARCHED BPO, how come the prices don't rise until at -least- BPO owners can profit?"

The answer is present in the thread - because people who are inventing (probably - it's possible T2 BPO owners could be derping and blind-producing/selling at a loss, but somewhat less likely) are not taking into account opportunity cost while vertically integrating their product.

For a less complex example of opportunity cost that people do (that still ends up as a loss for people who are not vertically integrated), let's take some completely arbitrary numbers for a hypothetical widget.

Let's say Widget build cost = 1000 ISK + 1000 Tritanium (the ISK being the raw ISK cost of production time in a station or pos; we're assuming this is static when in reality this is somewhat in flux, but bear with me).
Let's also say that the sell price of a widget is 2000 ISK on the market (2 times its raw ISK cost, but we have yet to factor in Tritanium cost).
Let's say that Tritanium has 2 ISK buys, and 3 ISK sells, per unit.

So now, for the non-integrator (aka the intelligent builder), in the event that they are also generating tritanium, the profit of a widget is P=2000-(1000+2000[we'll assume buy price on trit here, as they're patient fellows]). P in this case is -1000, so the builder finds something else with a P value above 0.

For the integrator/roleplayer/freeminsguy, they're looking at "I can mine 1000 tritanium, build a widget, and get 2000 ISK". What they fail to notice is that they could get 3000 ISK selling the tritanium, or AT WORST get 2000 ISK selling to buy orders; both are better than their net profit of 1000 ISK on the widget (assuming cost of trit is not taken into account).

There are alot of people in eve who do things "because they're fun" or "minerals I mine are free" etc.
These people will usually cry about no profits in areas too.

upside is now you can reprocess these items and sell them the base materials back for a profit :)