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Dev Blog: The Next Steps in Structure Transition

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Danastar
Balkan Kings
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2017-05-08 16:02:55 UTC
Greetings,

what will happen with research jobs that are still active in outposts during transition.

thank You
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#42 - 2017-05-08 18:42:34 UTC
Mona Me wrote:
000Hunter000 wrote:


Am i to understand POS are beeing removed?



I did not know it was possible to hide under a rock in space!Roll


Okayyyy... sooo... instead of just giving a concrete answer, you rather give a useless one... good for you! Roll

I admitted i missed a lot of things, but i bet i'm not the only eve player.
Mona Me
poon-tang
#43 - 2017-05-09 01:26:49 UTC
000Hunter000 wrote:
Mona Me wrote:
000Hunter000 wrote:


Am i to understand POS are beeing removed?



I did not know it was possible to hide under a rock in space!Roll


Okayyyy... sooo... instead of just giving a concrete answer, you rather give a useless one... good for you! Roll

I admitted i missed a lot of things, but i bet i'm not the only eve player.


OK, a "a concrete answer" would be yes. It was announced approximately 2 years ago. I'm not sure how an 04 player could have missed that one?Shocked
Res Five
Crown Solutions
TOGETHER WE STAND
#44 - 2017-05-09 16:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Res Five
Mona Me wrote:
OK, a "a concrete answer" would be yes. It was announced approximately 2 years ago. I'm not sure how an 04 player could have missed that one?Shocked


Don't worry, you havent missed the CCP's answer to the reimbursement question. In almost 2 years since this question is asked, they failed to provide one.
Ms Michigan
Aviation Professionals for EVE
Virtus Crusade Protectorate
#45 - 2017-05-10 13:38:52 UTC
Vladimir Stolichnaya wrote:
Ms Michigan wrote:
Question for all of you and devs:

Question Why not turn the conquerable stations into unconquerable pirate stations. We have those in hi-sec, why not null (and low for that matter)??? It would create a unique (Thera-esque) form of null sec. It can't be taken over and a place where you can run missions for the pirate factions. Do the same with some low-sec systems in each region maybe. Convert them to pirate sov.

Maybe this has been addressed/asked before but it seems very relevant here. I just think the whole solution you have concocted for these conquerable stations is convoluted more than it has to be and doesn't add much to the game (whereas this would.)

Flame on.


Like most things, In Theory, sounds nice.

Now the question becomes = Would you like to have an NPC free dock staging point for your enemies right in the middle of your space ? Hmmmm Me thinks not.

I do however agree in part that the " Immensea " stations should remain unconquerable and more importantly Unanchorable stations.
But that is not going to happen.
Things going boom is what makes New Eden go around, and makes people buy PLEX to replace it


You could easily fix that and have the pirate stations just deny you dockings based on standings (which is very immersion building). If you want to gain docking you have to buy tags or grind missions in low sec or something. This would single-handedly prevent large or even medium sized fleets from docking there unless it was a bunch of new alphas is my guess. Or you make people pay a docking fee (pirates charge tax). I am sure it is workable.
Danastar
Balkan Kings
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2017-05-10 17:34:10 UTC
Greetings,

what will happen with research jobs that are still active in outposts during transition.

thank You
TheVault
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2017-05-11 12:48:51 UTC
So still no word about: (as far as i know...)


- Cyno jammers
- jumpbridges


My guess: they will be not replaced at all

Princess GayAmazingness
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2017-05-11 13:24:10 UTC
TheVault wrote:
So still no word about: (as far as i know...)


- Cyno jammers
- jumpbridges


My guess: they will be not replaced at all



Why would you need those things? The end game from CCP over the past couple of years has been to make it where you can't jump your cap or travel in any sort of reasonable time. More and more the changes seem to only strengthen my belief that CCP just wants everyone to play in their own little sandbox and not kick over sand castles anymore. You are relegated to rat in your capital in your own region, and hope that someone dread bombs you to get some content.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#49 - 2017-05-11 13:26:18 UTC
TheVault wrote:
So still no word about: (as far as i know...)


- Cyno jammers
- jumpbridges


My guess: they will be not replaced at all




No word yet, because CCP is going through things in turn. as far as I'm aware, no decision has been made to cut any functionality, so they're still on the plan (in the future)

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Gorr Shakor
No Country for Old Nerds
#50 - 2017-05-11 15:38:03 UTC
How is gas processing moving from Biochemical Reactor Arrays to Upwell structures? What about the Gallente tower's 100% bonus to Silo Cargo Capacity? Any rigs for gas processing planned? Maybe some overall love for the booster/T3 production, finally?
Danastar
Balkan Kings
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2017-05-12 18:13:52 UTC
Greetings,

what will happen with research jobs that are still active in outposts during transition.

thank You
Gulmuk
Ceptacemia
Violente Fortuna
#52 - 2017-05-13 01:07:12 UTC
So how bout before you decide to get rid of stations all together, you make it to where the search function works in ALL citadels.

Currently if an item isn't in a citadel, you can't search for it in assets. WONT SHOW UP!

FIX THE ASSET SEARCH FUNCTION FOR CITADELS!
Gene Greyy
Pheonix Rising Corp
#53 - 2017-05-15 03:35:51 UTC
Penance Toralen wrote:
So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.

Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists.




I, CCP (not really CCP but, hopefully you got that already), promised that you can keep your doctor and your existing healthcare coverage... oh, and your premiums will also go down with this new plan.

Wait, did I actually say that?? What I meant to say was, small corps are not worth our time and we'll be phasing you out as well. This is a sandbox game but, only for those willing to play the game how we tell you... and that changes from day to day depending on what new rules we feel like (I mean what rules the mega-corp alliances tell us or perhaps what Hilmar's mood is like on any given day). So, I guess it's really not a sandbox at all and you the little people simply do not matter. Please take your money and leave... we don't need you and the rest of the players will ridicule you and ask for your stuff as you go.

Bottom line, CCP does not make promises; they'll give you just enough to make it interesting and as soon as you have trained for whatever niche you happen to like (and are making money)....BAM!!!!! Nerf-bat to the head and go (redacted) yourself if you don't like it.

Sorry, either get used to it or do yourself a huge favor and leave the game. They do not care, they will not listen.
Danastar
Balkan Kings
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2017-05-15 07:10:38 UTC
Gene Greyy wrote:
Penance Toralen wrote:
So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.

Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists.




I, CCP (not really CCP but, hopefully you got that already), promised that you can keep your doctor and your existing healthcare coverage... oh, and your premiums will also go down with this new plan.

Wait, did I actually say that?? What I meant to say was, small corps are not worth our time and we'll be phasing you out as well. This is a sandbox game but, only for those willing to play the game how we tell you... and that changes from day to day depending on what new rules we feel like (I mean what rules the mega-corp alliances tell us or perhaps what Hilmar's mood is like on any given day). So, I guess it's really not a sandbox at all and you the little people simply do not matter. Please take your money and leave... we don't need you and the rest of the players will ridicule you and ask for your stuff as you go.

Bottom line, CCP does not make promises; they'll give you just enough to make it interesting and as soon as you have trained for whatever niche you happen to like (and are making money)....BAM!!!!! Nerf-bat to the head and go (redacted) yourself if you don't like it.

Sorry, either get used to it or do yourself a huge favor and leave the game. They do not care, they will not listen.



EVE ended being a sandbox with the release of skill injectors
Graz3r
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2017-05-16 08:16:59 UTC
Dear CCP

It is apparent that your ability to fail at some decisions of changes has grown dramatically more than in the past years. Citadels and other changes were a success, and i agree content is needed. But your decision to make outposts into citadels was the worst decision yet and is a complete fail.

Firstly, all powerblocs are/is gunning for all outposts before the changeover. You speak about making it better for smaller groups, smaller alliances, when in effect you have made it so with this decision on outposts better for powerblocs. No smaller alliances benefit, and thus you allow for a continuous blue donut effect by doing this as well.

There is no way for smaller groups to fight and defend against powerblocs running rampant taking over stations, and you will notice, not always is the sov being taken, only the station.

CCP, you are trying to fight human nature to gather in groups, and in some cases larger groups. Fighting against human nature is simply the large fail ever. You [CCP] after 14 years should know this. You from all statistics and all the evidence of data should and can see, that you are simply feeding powerblocs and smaller groups are not really getting anything out of this entire outpost/faction citadel changeover. You know this. Its not hard to see it, unless you're actually blind. No offence meant to anyone who is actually blind.

It is very simple, with some of your ideas its great, it creates content and develops the game and the community. But your inability to create an idea that does not fight human nature and completely un-balances the game allowing blue donut powerblocs to very easily over power smaller groups and take over the soon to be very limited faction citadel/outposts is basically the worst idea CCP has ever come up with in the 14 year history of CCP Games. The method is a complete fail. CCP should honestly rethink how this will be done. Because CCP keeps boasting they trying to make the game better for smaller groups. The outpost/faction citadel changeover, does not benefit smaller groups at all. The Moon mining changes, now that's a great idea to help possibly break down powerblocs too, but not the outpost/faction citadel idea.
Acac Sunflyier
The Dysfunctionals
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2017-06-07 23:42:47 UTC
What happens to Blueprints that are currently being researched? What happens to blueprints that have finished research but haven't been claimed by inactive people?
Celeste Dixie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2017-06-08 13:30:42 UTC
I, too, am curious as to what will happen with all the old POS items. I've been gone from the game for 3.5-4 years and just returned - I have about a billion isk worth of control towers and other POS items in my hanger. Wondering if those will get converted at some point, or if I'm going to just have to reprocess them.
Phoenix Pryde
3-I Area 42
#58 - 2017-06-17 19:20:36 UTC
Quote:
The monument will also list the last alliance to control that Conquerable Station before the transition event. These landmarks will be a permanent reminder of the great things players have done in these systems over more than a decade.



I have no idea if the info is somewhere still in the logs/db ... but it would be kinda neat if that monument would also list the first corporations to ever capture these stations when they were introduced back then (no ingame alliances back then, corps owned them). The gold rush for them .. Roll

A full ownership history would be interesting too, but too lengthy in some cases maybe Pirate
Dani Teeg
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
#59 - 2017-07-13 20:57:32 UTC
mkint wrote:
Penance Toralen wrote:
So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.

Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists.


Didn't you get the memo?

"Screw you" -CCP (paraphrased)

Or the other memo?

"Small corporations don't matter. Be someone else's NPC or get out." -CCP (paraphrased)



What you don't have a "supporting fleet"? Then no high end item in eve is for you!
Bryg Philomena
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#60 - 2017-07-25 11:02:14 UTC
Excuse me, but what is the reason to get rid of Outposts other than CCP just wanting us to use Citadels instead?

Why not just leave them as is?
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