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Dev blog: Introducing Upwell Refineries

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#561 - 2017-04-25 02:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
As the plan is;
Quote:
On patch day we will automatically unfit existing reprocessing rigs that are fit to Citadels and Engineering Complexes so that structure owners can have the option of either fitting their rigs right back on to the same structure or moving those rigs to a Refinery if they wish.
Will BPO's for these new structures be available prior to patch day or is the expectation more - reprocessing without any type of bonus until BPO's are researched up, copied and made available via contracts and the structure built?

Removing the rigs to enable owners to fit them to the new structures is a great idea that is wasted if the new structure is not available on the same day.

Just maybe having a 2 week grace period for the removal of these rigs would be a better option OR even allowing owners to remove them when they choose (within a fixed time period). This allows those wishing to fit them to the new structures time to build one without reprocessing ability being stripped away before they can even build the new structure.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Erie TehGM
CapF best F
#562 - 2017-04-25 08:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Erie TehGM
I am excited for this - I always wanted to be as self-sustainable as possible in games. And T2 production was pain regarding that, cause I had to buy (not actually gather by myself) resources for it. So I really welcome this change.

However, I think Moon mining shouldn't be TOO easy to get into. For sure, it will need additional skill. And hopefully different types of lasers, however that's less needed. I am afraid that unless moon rocks will give really small yield per cycle, T2 market will crash. And I personally am against this. Not cause I produce T2 stuff (cause I actually don't, except missiles for my tengu). This has to be really carefully considered so T2 manufacturing doesn't become much easier than it currently is.

More open to more people - hell yeah! Easier and flood of T2 stuff - hell no!

However note: I know nothing about economy, so I may be wrong. However, this is a real concern for me.
ll Kuray ll
Assisted Homicide
#563 - 2017-05-02 23:34:56 UTC
Erie TehGM wrote:
I am excited for this - I always wanted to be as self-sustainable as possible in games. And T2 production was pain regarding that, cause I had to buy (not actually gather by myself) resources for it. So I really welcome this change.

However, I think Moon mining shouldn't be TOO easy to get into. For sure, it will need additional skill. And hopefully different types of lasers, however that's less needed. I am afraid that unless moon rocks will give really small yield per cycle, T2 market will crash. And I personally am against this. Not cause I produce T2 stuff (cause I actually don't, except missiles for my tengu). This has to be really carefully considered so T2 manufacturing doesn't become much easier than it currently is.

More open to more people - hell yeah! Easier and flood of T2 stuff - hell no!

However note: I know nothing about economy, so I may be wrong. However, this is a real concern for me.


What on earth are you smoking? This isn't going to make t2 production self sustaining at all. What curtains do you have over your eyes?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#564 - 2017-05-03 12:29:37 UTC
ll Kuray ll wrote:
Erie TehGM wrote:
I am excited for this - I always wanted to be as self-sustainable as possible in games. And T2 production was pain regarding that, cause I had to buy (not actually gather by myself) resources for it. So I really welcome this change.


What on earth are you smoking? This isn't going to make t2 production self sustaining at all. What curtains do you have over your eyes?

Sometime when you don't understand it's you fault and not fault of others......

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

ll Kuray ll
Assisted Homicide
#565 - 2017-05-04 11:59:23 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
ll Kuray ll wrote:
Erie TehGM wrote:
I am excited for this - I always wanted to be as self-sustainable as possible in games. And T2 production was pain regarding that, cause I had to buy (not actually gather by myself) resources for it. So I really welcome this change.


What on earth are you smoking? This isn't going to make t2 production self sustaining at all. What curtains do you have over your eyes?

Sometime when you don't understand it's you fault and not fault of others......


Some people will always have something to say and nothing to contribute.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#566 - 2017-05-05 16:22:02 UTC
ll Kuray ll wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
ll Kuray ll wrote:
Erie TehGM wrote:
I am excited for this - I always wanted to be as self-sustainable as possible in games. And T2 production was pain regarding that, cause I had to buy (not actually gather by myself) resources for it. So I really welcome this change.


What on earth are you smoking? This isn't going to make t2 production self sustaining at all. What curtains do you have over your eyes?

Sometime when you don't understand it's you fault and not fault of others......


Some people will always have something to say and nothing to contribute.

Yeah, i could say it this way but now you said it yourself.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

ll Kuray ll
Assisted Homicide
#567 - 2017-05-06 01:56:41 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
ll Kuray ll wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
ll Kuray ll wrote:
Erie TehGM wrote:
I am excited for this - I always wanted to be as self-sustainable as possible in games. And T2 production was pain regarding that, cause I had to buy (not actually gather by myself) resources for it. So I really welcome this change.


What on earth are you smoking? This isn't going to make t2 production self sustaining at all. What curtains do you have over your eyes?

Sometime when you don't understand it's you fault and not fault of others......


Some people will always have something to say and nothing to contribute.

Yeah, i could say it this way but now you said it yourself.


You trying to degrade me usually means you want to feel empowerment over me. I am honored you tried to insult me.
Tessa Sage
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#568 - 2017-05-22 23:43:55 UTC
ll Kuray ll wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
ll Kuray ll wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
ll Kuray ll wrote:


What on earth are you smoking? This isn't going to make t2 production self sustaining at all. What curtains do you have over your eyes?

Sometime when you don't understand it's you fault and not fault of others......


Some people will always have something to say and nothing to contribute.

Yeah, i could say it this way but now you said it yourself.


You trying to degrade me usually means you want to feel empowerment over me. I am honored you tried to insult me.


Gentlemen, there is no fighting in here this is the war room. CCP already stated that instances of passive mining through structure improvements will not exceed or otherwise replace active on-grid. Of course, in the case of moon goo, that is POS ownership being rotated out, so you might see the same throughput regardless.

What I'd like both Placid and Reactionary to do here is check their sheets, bed wetting should only occur if you drank too much Kool-Aid at first post. Let's have a civil turn around, face what's coming, and profit mightily.
ttt esc Ikkala
Syndicate Enterprise
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#569 - 2017-06-17 11:05:04 UTC
Given the cycle time to ge the field upto space where you can mine it i dont see t2 being flooded. I see the oppsoite happen as people miss their field times or set to low a cycle time and field density is too small I can see a t2 prices going up
ttt esc Ikkala
Syndicate Enterprise
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#570 - 2017-07-02 21:28:24 UTC
Do we have a release date for the moon changes yet??
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#571 - 2017-07-03 16:07:37 UTC
ttt esc Ikkala wrote:
Do we have a release date for the moon changes yet??


'Winter' (is coming...)

Best guess - 2 weeks after EVE Vegas on the Tuesday...

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium

Acac Sunflyier
The Dysfunctionals
Goonswarm Federation
#572 - 2017-07-05 23:11:28 UTC
Few questions:

1) The Reactions themselves, will they all be BPOs?

2) Will all reactions require ice or just moon reactions?

3) Will the distribution of moon materials change to allow for the change in how materials are mined?
Azmya Nakamura
Alphahydrae
#573 - 2017-07-11 14:41:56 UTC

What about wormholes ?

Would it be possible to be able to do moon mining but instead of getting classical moon material we would get enriched asteroids such as in 0,0 belts ?

That would not unbalance the moon mining system in regards of keeping the moon materials in null sec but that could encourage WH inhabitants to anchor theses structures.

If not and unless the costs of reaction (in fuel consumption) is lower, I don't see any of theses structures being built in WH space until the POS are removed.

Thanking you in advance for the feedback.

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Bryg Philomena
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#574 - 2017-07-19 17:14:14 UTC
Please for the love of God do not introduce any sort of ledger.

Eve is big and bad and you can steal and lie to your hearts content. Or well, you could but now lets log fleet's loot. Let's log who mined how much.

Lets take the onus off players to be diligent and involved and replace it with a game mechanic.
Jonathan Rotineque
Malleus Clusores
Brothers of Tangra
#575 - 2017-07-21 02:44:39 UTC
Ice moons?

I saw a wide example of moon and space ores exampled with various densities of each, no ice types were listed. I was wondering if there was any plan on having ice extracted from moons. We do have Ice Planets so Ice Moons do not seem much of a stretch.

Default Warp in points

Since the Refinery will be so close to the ore field, it would seem that a default warp in would be completely unnecessary. Friends could undock from the refinery and warp to any rock in the field. Foes could warp from gate to the moon or structure then warp to any rock.

Speaking of warp in points

Any chance we could return anomaly fields back to signature fields that so we would have to scan them down? Now that Rorquals are on field and locked in place for 5 minutes at a time when deployed. It does not seem too big of an ask that those hunting Rorquals actually have to spend 30 seconds scanning down a self pointed capital ship.






Bryg Philomena
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#576 - 2017-07-25 10:53:18 UTC
So basically now an alliance that is moon mining will have dozens of places to dock in each system they're mining in?