Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So what that is not griefing, harassment or anything else. You think you are the first one to notice AFK cloaking. It is as old as cloaks themselves. CCP could have patched this out a long, long time ago, but they chose not too.



This is laughable for a number of reasons.

First this psychological metagame is something CCP actually likes to see develop in the game. CCP did not set out to create a cookie cutter MMO where everyone can log in and ignore other players all the time (Cue Mike's nonsense at this point--but then again Mike has issues with words like 'all'...anything over two letters really). The metagame is a huge part of EVE Online and what makes what is fundamentally a boring game so interesting.

Second, even after cynos and jump drives were seriously nerfed quite awhile ago we get the same old whine and dine from the likes of you. "Oh boo-hoo, cynos, cynos, cynos. CCPlease nerf!!!" So they get nerfed (for other reasons) and yet here you are again with "One more nerf and it will be balanced."



Wrong, I have undocked and ratted with an AFK cloaker back when we lived in Cloud Ring when I was in EXE. We had, literally, one good ratting system. We had just gone down into Outer Ring and pooped on his alliance's front yard to try and get some content. This one guy responded by camping out one decent ratting system. Thing is I was in a very different TZ than him. I looked him and his corp up. So I'd go there and rat away quite confident he was unlikely at his keyboard.

Why can't you guys undock as a group and do stuff? Why can't you rat in a standing fleet, on voice comms, or even in the same group in the same anomaly? Yes, your ISK/minute or whatever will take a hit, but you are still make ISK, still doing stuff, chatting on comms, and keeping your indexes up. And hey, if they drop on you and you have PvP fit ships you may get some really good content. Why can't you do this?



Why do you always assume you are going to lose. Are you just that bad? Do you suck that much at this game? seems like you do as that is what you are basically saying here. "We suck so badly we can't even deal with a handful of guys who might cyno in, but probably won't...so CCP come pat our poo-poo and make us feel better about our incompetent selves." You do realize that is what you just wrote, right? You are basically admitting to being Bad™.

I guess we can let this thread die then and revisit it at a future time when there is an opportunity for local to be changed?

The hypocrisy in that post. I don't cloaky camp. I don't gank either but see what i think about that. I don't wardec either and see how i feel about that...

And hundreds of people fall into the category of 'lone renter who does not pvp and feel the game should change so they can print isk risk free'. Doesn't mean they should get it.

I'm not sure you are understanding what I'm asking for.

It's a PvP area. I'm present... I'm the fist "Player" in PvP. What I'm asking is that the other person also be present. What we're getting now is a lot of PvEC (player vs empty chair). They don't have to take the bait. They can passively watch local while active watching a movie... just clicking on the screen every few minutes. But I want them to at least be there for my attempts at interaction to have some chance of success. I got no shot with an empty chair.

Awesome!

Ganking is active.. Cloaking and hot dropping active....AFK logged on all day is not-active but done to purposely grief a system.

I have no problem with people who do not want to PvP. If that is not what you want to do, fine. Although it is ironic that you get upset when people talk about how you want to play, yet you act like such a little turd when talking about others.

However, do not come in and lecture and hector where PvE and PvP intersect. I have gotten on Mike's case because he has never used a cloak to hunt another player. Ever. As such, his comments about it are bereft of practical hands on knowledge.

For example, Mike is fond of saying that the cloaker has the advantage of initiative. That is true to some extent. I can decide when to engage...when a target is available. What Mike does not talk about, either due to ignorance or because he knows it will undermine his case, is that the target is not just some helpless player all fat and dumb. The player has local to warn him of my presence and he can warp out. In other words, it can take 20 or 30 tries before finding somebody who is simply not paying attention to local until it is too late. It is a classic case of the seen and the unseen. Everybody sees the poor schlub who screwed up and was caught and killed. What they do not see are the 25 guys before that who either got away, or docked up 30 seconds after a hostile enters system.

It is usually at this point that Mike will make an appearance, so let me pre-empt him. “Working as intended!!! Working as intended!!!1!!1!!one!!” Let’s set aside the entire possibility that this was not intended—i.e. the use of local as an intel tool. I think it was not intended, but as I noted before, what CCP intends…or not is not really an issue unless it is an issue for overall game balance. Let us instead agree that it is working as it should given the underlying mechanics. So in that regards I agree with Mike. If you are paying attention and see the hostile enter system and scurry for safety…okay, that is as it should currently be. However, there should abso-fecking-lutely be no Goddamn fecking extra protection for the little dim bulb who is completely focused on re-watching season 6 of Game of Thrones while his ishtar cleans out another haven.

The anti-cloak people might say, “I’m not wanting extra protection for that guy!” But you almost always are. Many of the “suggestions to deal with AFK cloakers” inevitable NERF CLOAKS IN GENERAL. The cloaking fuel, the cap drain, the POS/citadel decloaking module, the anchorable structure, and on and on and on. None of these things give a mother fecking shite if the fecking cloaked ship is AFK or not. Why should an ATK cloaky hunter be nerfed? He is not AFKing. Why should a player doing exploration in a cloaking ship have his game nerfed? How about a guy using a blockade runner, people don’t usually AFK in those. And all of these “suggestions” (personally, I’d call most of these “suggestions” the mumblings of morons into their drool cups) are never accompanied with any change to the mechanic that allows for AFK camping to be so damn effective. Local.

And look, you started yet another thread that has been discussed multiple times. You are in effect mumbling into your drool cup.

Did...did you really just use the term "mouth breathing baby eaters" and expect to be taken seriously?

You sound like a 15 year old throwing a tantrum.

Quote where it was said you could do industry and ratting in deep null with zero consequences.

That's not griefing in eve dumb ass.

In the VERY ARTICLE you're quoting it says:



And its funny you've left 'active' and 'not active' out this time . In eve players are free to use mechanics in ways they were not intended to be used. If ccp deem it detrimental to the game it becomes an exploit. If they dont, it doesn't and it becomes normal gameplay. What you, or anyone else other than ccp,think is griefing is irrelevant.

By that definition ganking, wardeccing and even using warp stabs in fw would be considered griefing.

Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

If that was the case, that guy isn't watching local, and you should be able to kill him easily. It's not like local actually does anything to protect you. You have to actively watch local and take action to get to safety.

I know that's hard for you to understand, as you seem to think everyone is completely safe for as long as they want... kinda like how cloaks work.

I don't know what all that working as intended drek is about. Both systems work pretty much as designed. The issue being that you are complaining that you don't get enough kills while breaking the defensive efforts of entire alliances with a spare alt potentially flying a newbie ship, and you want extra credit for the "gargantuan" ""effort"" of showing up in a system.