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What are the right nerfs?

Wait. Let me guess.

The ones that don't affect you. Amirite?

No, the ones that affect the customers for the company, the people who play this game, and the people on these forums

In addition, I just so happen to be here because I didn't like their Rorqual nerfs, the ded site nerfs, and they made faction BPC's more rediculously expensive to buy by bringing up the mineral requirements for it and they want no one to fly them particularly in doctrines because they nerfed ded sites.

The whole idea of "destined-to-be-nerfed" is completely wrong-headed.

IMO, nerfing is an intellectually lazy solution to balance issues. You may not care how it makes people feel, but assuming CCP cares about their customers and doesn't intentionally want to drive them away (always a possibility!), they should.

If nerfing was a no-go from the beginning, CCP would be motivated to be much more careful and thorough about introducing potentially balance-altering changes. Once introduced, if they were "too powerful," (by some nebulous standard) then other aspects of the environment could be adjusted. There are many, many ways to achieve balance that don't result in players feeling like they've had something stolen from them.

Although Eve is certainly "just a game," it's different from most games in a couple of important ways. First, it can takes months or even years to skill up to things like capital ships. Second, it can take hundreds of hours and/or dollars to reach your goals. Those supporting nerfs (including CCP) clearly don't understand the psychology of the Eve player base. If you intentionally want to drive those players away, then sure, nerf to your heart's content. OTOH, if you want to keep those players, then nerfing is a bad, bad idea, that should be undertaken only as a last resort.

Explain how CCP would have balanced the entire game around remote AOE cyno-fired doomsdays without nerfing them.

When you can't, realize how ridiculously infantile the entire concept of never nerfing things because the player-base contains a handful of emotionally unstable children who can't come to grips with the fact that a persistently developed game requires balance tweaks really is.

This page gave me a fun new idea. When something is released, namely a module or ship, the mineral requirements and research times should be exorbitant (i.e. 100x what would be considered for normal releases) as well as having several science skills tier the effectiveness of the item along with a rotating list of drawbacks (Jury Rigging comes into play here) that trigger ever more frequently or simply accumulate, rendering the modules more or less useless and obsolete after a certain period of time- call it Generation Zero Tech (regardless of the tier, T1 T2 and T3 are all Gen0 on first release).

Once CCP is able to observe the item in play and watch how it's used and abused, the next generation of the technology is released, the same module with whatever nerfs or tweaks they deem necessary, the mineral costs come down, science skills still buff the effectiveness but to a lesser extent, and researching the efficiencies takes less time, while still in a testing phase Generation One Tech still accumulates drawbacks and renders active modules steadily obsolete, though somewhat slower than Generation Zero Tech and in a much more useful timescale. Generation Two Tech is the official rollout of what we consider a normal ship or item, science skills are no longer required to squeeze out the module's maximum effectiveness, costs and research times are normalized, and the item is assumed to be more or less balanced and drawback accumulation occurs on a one-in-a-million timescale creating a slow stream of replacement demand for whatever survives the fighting as the months pass after release.

If CCP decides they've well and truly ****** something up, Generation Three Tech releases allow for a final nerf or upgrade, again, costs come down from Gen 2 but research times skyrocket (this is the final evolution of the technology, doing it faster and cheaper doesn't happen without a large expense), drawbacks remain as rare as Gen 2 tech examples.

Once Gen 2 is released, Gen Zero BPOs will accumulate drawbacks with each copy or run cycle that are passed on to all items or BPCs made from them, Pure Gen 0 BPCs can also be invented from these degraded BPCs keeping a rare few top-line models in circulation; If Gen 3 is released, Gen 1 and Gen 2 BPOs suffer the same fate, becoming obsolescent.

I like this idea, although I think the desired effect could be achieved in a simpler way.

What if all new mods and ships were released first as "rentals"? No BPs. The items would be good for a month (or whatever), and then they just disappear. Everyone would know ahead of time that the items were limited, so it wouldn't be a surprise when they go away.

These are all just theories to what can happen and none of what you said is just simple to understand. There isn't going to be one thing that will be the sotutioon for everything and theories like your ideas cannot be solved and Not even what I say is the solution to our problems. What we really need is to hear ccp talking to us like we are doing it here, so we can respond the right way and we don't hurt each others feelings. Do you see where I am going with this? United and we will prevail