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Lol, ok. This will balance pve ticks? Ok ok, good thing no single person knows what happens when you bosun a Haven. Great fix.

But yeah, definitely nerf the most interesting and interactive change you've made to gameplay since I started playing in 2011.

Guys,
Before y'all go rantzerker, please look at the economic report. CCP is nerfing it because ratting incomes have more than doubled over the last year.

Peace is good for business it seems.Incomes Loss/Gains by Type

Nothing he said is really inaccurate, and definitely justifies a nerf to carrier/super ratting.

It's really just the, "Oh, and uh... they'retoostronginPvPtoosowhatever" tacked onto the end, coupled with the magnitude of the nerf, that I find troubling.

Why not add an option to turn Supers and Super capable characters into liquid isk?
Like a recycler.

For the effort of training into one and getting one they should give something back as of they will take it away from me in days. And all will remain is junk i cannot use.
So make an option where i can turn my fitted super into 30b and my toon for it into another 25-30b as tahts their value.

I will be happy to have them nerfed only if you add this.

Grayscale?

I'm pretty sure devs don't read any of the comments. They behave like parents. They made their mind and that's it. Live with it.
Very short sight approach. Ppl make less isk ppl buy less plex. Causing less ppl buying plex with reality money. At the end of day capitals being nerfed for making too much isk but incursion not touched. Doesn't nake sense. Well got msg about one of my account expiring soon. Thanks for helping making my mind. Won't plex it. No point

you reduce those NPC's.. then I want and I want my comrades who have spent billions upgrading the systems and its ihubs back + 20% for ccp's screw up.

CCP needs to get over it and leave this class alone.. ill wait till they touch dreads since it seems this summer is Nerf Bat epeening season.

It does very little of what they say it will accomplish. You think carriers and supercarriers are the only way to rake in isk? Have you tried a t3 cruiser or marauder? Seriously though...the nerf is far too large and doesn't address the unlying issue they say they are correcting. This warrants more time and communication, I hope they show some sense and reconsider for the time being.

I honestly dislike participating in in online discussions, but I fear that unless people who would otherwise stay silent add to the discussion, CCP will continue to push the negative response onto the "1% of the playerbase".

Nothing I say here would not have been said already in this topic, but let me reinforce some of these opinions with mine.

1. You are nerfing a pvp aspect of a ship based purely on a pve decisions. This not only does not make sense, it is outright silly. While carriers, one end, generate ISK from all the NPC bounties, they contribute to ISK lost from pvp engagements. Though it seems it is not so much of a case anymore, with the continuous nerfs the carriers are receiving.

2. This change is relatively big. 20% and 30% aren't small numbers. To receive such a short heads up of merely a few days is at best disrespectful to the playerbase, especially to the people who spent long time training into their dream ships, as well as investing big isk into them and the related skills. Now, instead of learning the skills to further improve the dream ship's performance, I will merely close the gap in the lost performance. This is plainly time wasted. There will be no compensation for two months worth of training to field better fighters.

3. The game seems to be rewarding "afk activities" more than it does active engagements. I could fly AFKtar and get the ISK for doing literally nothing, save for occasionally pointing the ship in the right direction. That's not why I chose to fly a carrier. It is a bigger, more powerful ship. It costs more, is juicier target for other people, and actually requires active gameplay rather than simply going AFK and waiting for the checks to roll in. The rewards of actively playing the game already seem to be relatively bad, but now I feel like I'm being punished for wanting to play the game actively.

4. The change seems to be primarily based on the idea that carriers are this amazing source of money. Please acknowledge that while carriers are, in my opinion, fairly decent option for making isk, there are other activities in the game that yield comparably better ISK income to a player that have not been touched in forever. The most related to this, of course, would be incursions, which seem to be CCP's precious gem for some strange reason. Factional Warfare can net player ridiculous amounts of money, too, along with exploration. While the latter two do not necessarily "conjure isk from thin air", they contribute to player's wealth.

But let me put these aside and focus on generating ISK. If that seems to be the problem, then that is indication of broken ISK generation as a whole. Carriers are not the problem - the system is. Carriers have long been the aspiration of many people. They were meant to be the big, shiny ships that are a big improvement, given the long training queues. However, the moment people started achieving these goals, CCP has realized that perhaps the carrier pilots are getting too good rewards.

Guess what. We worked hard to get to these ships and spent a lot of money. "Better rewards" is figuratively written on the hull of these ships. You don't just get to nerf these on a whim, especially with such a short notice. If you feel like there's too much ISK generated, look at the system that generates it - and balance the system as a whole.



Alas. I could go on, but there is not really much point, is there. My voice is here.
The game has not been fun to play lately for me, partly to the recent nerfs to things. It all does, in all honesty, feel like CCP wants us to multibox, so they can get more money out of subscribtion, and nerf any activity that you could otherwise do solo.

Buying Hell 50% off.

I swear it's as if you guys don't read the same economic reports as I do. Be glad they are going this route and not just hitting bounties by like 40% which really would effect every player. They aren't even touching application they're still going to track just fine, just might take 2 hits to kill that BB rather than 1. It'll slow you down which is the intention of this! Now go look at the economic report and say with a straight face that something doesn't need to change.

In actual combat you're still going to blot out the sun with fighters and destroy dreads well out of their range. Or did the majority of EVE suddenly find their own personal system to super rat in uncontested without me noticing? It's almost like people forgot these are combat vessels and for years just sat motionless in a POS. Don't get me started on the boson+HAW titan ratting problem that's on the rise.


BTW - When did I become the one not seeing a problem with a change? Hell my corpmates even gave me the title of doomsday. What are we all coming to?