Crime & Punishment

You know, after looking at your employment history, I feel pretty bad for you. You've come back to the game for a few weeks and you get the door slammed in your face. My previous post was made in irratation and I wanted to convey some very basic principles about how Eve worked.
I want to pass on a few words of advice, even wiser than my previous hard post.

1. Understand people. Read, "How to win friends and influence people" by Dale Carnigie. It is a must.

2. Understand EVE is a game. The best way to learn how to play is by listening to advice spoken by people who've actually acomplished what you are attempting to do.

3. The worst thing you can possibly be is stubborn. Especially in this game. A few months ago, I was brazen enough to take on a bet, that I could take an Orca into nullsec, through multiple regions and back to my home system at that time, from Jita. I thought I was that good. I was butchered in low sec before I even made it into null. Does that mean I'm now a terrible player? No, it means I was stupid, foolhardy and arrogant to other people warning me not to do the bet. (Ok, I never really did expect to survive and I was too busy having fun blowing up 700m to care about it at the time, afterall it was a bet and I didn't really expect to survive, but this prooves my point). At that time, I did not think of the negative repurcussions that would have, like being stuck with a killmail that size on my killboard. (Since alot of Corps look at your KB to decide if they want you). I thought I would share this story to hopefully inspire you to start looking beyond your own opinions and beliefs.

-Rad

The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!

- Depends on the time of day. At times the major entrances are camped by twenty plus people.

- Nobody belt mines in null if they know what they are doing. Ore anoms have made belts redundant.

- Few people bother with local.

- Yes, as its nullsec and anything not made locally has to be shipped in via jump freighter not by hisec haulers working almost for free.

- Yet if you follow our handy video guides even a day one alpha can kill battleship rats.

- That's because in nullsec alliances use jump freighters to bring goods/ore from Jita and other market hubs to our own nullsec market hubs. The thing that matters is JF jumps not proximity to low sec stations, something StarTerrorPrime never managed to grasp no matter how often he was told.

- No you just need to know what you are doing. And teaching that is the point of Horde. Some people just refuse to learn because they have a grandiose self-image and like to compare themselves to literary heroes.

- No it's more like 20 billion. And the fact that Horde can afford to spam citadels around counters StarTerrorPrime's concerns for the imminent collapse of PanFams economy.

Oh wow now you're complaining on the actual forums too. I'm losing track of how many places this is now.

We tried to help you. We tried to explain to you even the base concept of supply and demand. You refused to listen and then whined about it. You even tried to get on Discord and whine to directors about how the miners were "unionizing".

You spammed your contract in 3 corp chat channels. A contract we told you was under Jita BUY. not sell like you're trying to say in your initial post. You wanted us to sell you and deliver 12M worth of minerals....(Yes this whole thing started over a 12M contract. I wish I was kidding) when it was valued at 13M just for the price of them. I explained that nobody is going to fill that contract and ship them too you, so you'd be better off mining them yourself.

....all to produce what our NBIs hand out for free. After complaining in multiple channels, Discord, and the forums you wanted to have us blue your alt corp because you didn't want to be in Horde anymore. So we laughed you off of our forums.

The problem isn't us dude. Its the fact you wouldn't accept anything we tried to teach you. We offered you the ability to prove us wrong too but you just whined about it rather than try to prove your guaranteed to fail method.

I had to like this. Good advice.
It seems to me that the OP needs to find an corporation of like-minded Randians to argue with.

I think you will like it there Starterror, I hear they have many trading posts, and their FCs have probably read the art of war...

He should probably join test since he likes to make lists and he might like their propaganda engine.

1. No, not really... just ones that make zero sense
2. Clearly you have no idea the complexity of null sov economy and what all is involved. You barely saw a fraction of a percent of it.
3. As was said previously, this is for security and ease of logistics.
4. Rule 1 of null is watch local/intel... if you break rule #1, your results may vary, standing fleet or no standing fleet.

6. 12,000 members can pretty much do whatever they want with the ore they mine. We don't judge...
7. No one has to be dependent on any shipping company. If you don't like it, train a JF alt and haul it yourself. Once you do that, you will understand why shipping costs what it does. Jump fuel isn't exactly cheap.
8. It's null... everything costs more. Live with it (or not). You don't have 50,000 bot miners running in belts 23/7 like in empire.
9. Ego's... yeah some... no different than the one you have where it's beneath you to listen to anyone trying to help you.
10. Wrong items for the market... learn the market before you try to sell in it.
11. Gobbins is the alliance CEO. He has an entire team to help manage 12,000 members. He doesn't have time to respond to every single little issue every day. Thats how real corporations work, not some snowflake crap you read in a book.
12. Your doing it wrong... period.
13. Don't expect to join up, be here a week or two, with little to no PvP background and expect to try and change fleet doctrine. These guys have been doing it for years and are damned good at what they do.
14. Large corp, people have RL and aren't on 23/7. Probably depended on who/what you were trying to ask or do.
15. Your lack of PvP background or the fact that we cover such a broad range of member skill levels shows how little you understand when you post this comment. If you think our fleet fits suck, ask the guys that regularly get bashed by our "inefficient" fits.
16. Art of war doesn't apply to internet spaceships... there was no DD's, Blops and Titan bridges in Ancient China.
17. Yet again, if you don't see it, build it or seed it.

19. No one rats belts in null...
20. Our space is just fine, you just don't understand the logistics of null. You want crappy space, go talk to the guys in Providence.
21. Clearly you don't understand how the Sov system works, or coalitions... or much of anything null related. This isn't empire space.
22. No one ever said null was 100% safe. Nothing in EVE is 100% safe, unless you dock up in empire, log off and never log back on. Then it's still not really safe. Learn that or go play WoW.
23. Then don't take the handout, no one forced you to. That will save them for the new players that really want to learn and grow in this game. Which we will gladly help them in any way we can.
24. Actually the higher ups work to protect everyone, however first and foremost you are required to learn how to watch out for yourself. Rorqs and other caps have enough tank to survive long enough for a response fleet to try and save them. Your little T1 frigate that you fit yourself because you refuse to use the tried and tested fits provided isn't going to last long enough to type w's in fleet chat. That's if your even in fleet or on comms.[

Don't encourage him...

Didn't you hear? Horde has figured out a way to mount strip miners on a Keepstar... it's true arm chair hold my beer mining at it's finest.