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The Alliance Experience: The PanFam Scam

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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
CODE.
#81 - 2017-06-07 02:27:45 UTC
*makes more popcorn*

He just doesn't learn, does he?


*makes lemonade*

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Rhohan Alhamar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2017-06-07 03:00:41 UTC
Cake Apple wrote:
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:
This dialogue between Pandemic Horde and one of its dissidents intriguing, though I question if his "disagreements" are legitimate since he paints this vivid portrait of a failing alliance. I commend StarTerrorPrime in his vocabulary and passion, though it is somewhat overeccentric opposed to summarizing and pointing out these "Innefficiencies" he insists on gabbing on about. I will note to keep his advice in mind while I'm in search of corporation, as to avoid the same potential error he may've encountered.


Please don't. You'll never find an alliance in the game that you'll like if you note his advice. Also, idk what he is saying about disagreements.


The more the original poster speaks, the more deterred I am to placing Pandemic Horde amongst my roster of Alliance canidates unless any of those present have the evidence to refute his claims with the nessecary data. His experience shared is quite indicative of what sort of behavior I'd expect out of its alliance members, much less the responses to his expression of his dissatisfaction en lieu of a mature calculated response is disheartening. Verbally attacking him for voicing his opinions on the status of a corporation's welfare alone is childish, as both parties are entitled to their viewpoints, but the inability to treat this matter with the proper diplomacy disgusts me.

Upon reading his in-game biography, It appears a logical solution to end his tirade would to be to bribe him with something of value, as he proclaims to be a pirate. Can someone please buy his silence? It seems he intends to gain something by assualting Pandemic Horde's reputation or at least fulfill an agenda. I fear he won't cease unless he gets whatever he's after, or continue his efforts beyond this point, because the level of idiocracy on the behalf of both parties is acinine.
Cake Apple
The Kronos Ritual
#83 - 2017-06-07 08:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cake Apple
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:
Cake Apple wrote:
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:
This dialogue between Pandemic Horde and one of its dissidents intriguing, though I question if his "disagreements" are legitimate since he paints this vivid portrait of a failing alliance. I commend StarTerrorPrime in his vocabulary and passion, though it is somewhat overeccentric opposed to summarizing and pointing out these "Innefficiencies" he insists on gabbing on about. I will note to keep his advice in mind while I'm in search of corporation, as to avoid the same potential error he may've encountered.


Please don't. You'll never find an alliance in the game that you'll like if you note his advice. Also, idk what he is saying about disagreements.


The more the original poster speaks, the more deterred I am to placing Pandemic Horde amongst my roster of Alliance canidates unless any of those present have the evidence to refute his claims with the nessecary data. His experience shared is quite indicative of what sort of behavior I'd expect out of its alliance members, much less the responses to his expression of his dissatisfaction en lieu of a mature calculated response is disheartening. Verbally attacking him for voicing his opinions on the status of a corporation's welfare alone is childish, as both parties are entitled to their viewpoints, but the inability to treat this matter with the proper diplomacy disgusts me.

Upon reading his in-game biography, It appears a logical solution to end his tirade would to be to bribe him with something of value, as he proclaims to be a pirate. Can someone please buy his silence? It seems he intends to gain something by assualting Pandemic Horde's reputation or at least fulfill an agenda. I fear he won't cease unless he gets whatever he's after, or continue his efforts beyond this point, because the level of idiocracy on the behalf of both parties is acinine.


You haven't heard our part of the story. We tried to help him, give him tips. He didn't listen. Some NBI (Newbean Initiative) the dudes thats focused on helping new players in Horde even spoke to him one on one. Giving him useful tips on how to make money. We are not considering his ideas because he doesn't have credibility and they're all ****. Being the nature of Horde's recruitment is open for all. FCs and the people in charge on how the alliance works wont approve the plan of a 7 day character in Horde more so if that character haven't even played long enough to really know something about the game or how alliances works. Also wanting to buy ore for 60% jita buy price is just bullshit. He isnt going to build something useful out of that anyway. Welcome to the free market that most alliances in the whole game do. Also as I said before. If you take his word on looking for an alliance to join. You're going to have a bad ******* time
Vladimir's Revenge
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#84 - 2017-06-07 09:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vladimir's Revenge
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:

The more the original poster speaks, the more deterred I am to placing Pandemic Horde amongst my roster of Alliance canidates unless any of those present have the evidence to refute his claims with the nessecary data. His experience shared is quite indicative of what sort of behavior I'd expect out of its alliance members, much less the responses to his expression of his dissatisfaction en lieu of a mature calculated response is disheartening. Verbally attacking him for voicing his opinions on the status of a corporation's welfare alone is childish, as both parties are entitled to their viewpoints, but the inability to treat this matter with the proper diplomacy disgusts me.

Upon reading his in-game biography, It appears a logical solution to end his tirade would to be to bribe him with something of value, as he proclaims to be a pirate. Can someone please buy his silence? It seems he intends to gain something by assualting Pandemic Horde's reputation or at least fulfill an agenda. I fear he won't cease unless he gets whatever he's after, or continue his efforts beyond this point, because the level of idiocracy on the behalf of both parties is acinine.


I thoroughly enjoy your usage of right-click "Thesaurus" in Microsoft Word while you write this drivel. You might have at least used the spell check function as well.

If you think PanFam, or really any other alliance is going to be a place where your opinions (especially when they are categorically wrong) are taken at face value and not questioned or challenged, I think you are in for a shock when you get into the real world. Like the real world, there are no safe spaces in PanFam, and if you expect to be coddled as a special snowflake, let me save you some bad posts on our forums and simply say, "Don't bother."

HORDE helps newbros, answers their questions, gets them set up in game. HORDE does not suffer selfish pieces of **** who are too dumb to recognize when they are wrong and the majority is right. Humility will get you far in life and far in this game, lack of it will generally end with you being **** on and washed out like the shitstain you are.
Alhira Katserna
F.U.N. Inc.
#85 - 2017-06-07 09:10:13 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
*makes more popcorn*

He just doesn't learn, does he?


*makes lemonade*


Steals some popcorn

No he doesn´t. You should have read the pastebin of one of his convos. I really needed to change my pants after that one.


@Rhohan Alhamar

Tbh don´t take anything in this thread here serious. At this point of time its just a trollfest all around.

Also he got offered a few hundred million ISK if he stops posting in PH forums, so vOv. And the only reputation he ruined is his own.
Mikhail O'Gara
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#86 - 2017-06-07 09:12:15 UTC
FC, please don't let this train end.
Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#87 - 2017-06-07 09:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vipsan Agrippa
Averyl wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The OP's economic analysis is missing graphs.

NG;DR



Don't encourage him...



I like links to music, gives the thread a little je ne sais quoi, ambiance perhaps?


OP music please!! Set your own tone with your own tune. Idea






Walls of text are boring but a link to music is a window into your soul.Smile
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)

Alhira Katserna
F.U.N. Inc.
#88 - 2017-06-07 17:15:47 UTC
Anthur Nakarkos
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2017-06-07 17:51:35 UTC


So we give him half a bil to post them again? The deal of a lifetime!

Also @Rohan Alhamar, I'd hoped to enlighten you with the long evemail I sent you in response to your mail to me. I told you of the state of Horde and exactly why and how Starter is full of crap, and then I went and posted a long-ass reply to his inanity in this thread. If you continue to view Starter's points as being valid despite all the **** literally everyone in this thread is heaping on him, despite how he has been refuted time and time and time again (when people actually manage to decipher his flowery spiel to figure out what the actual hell he means), then I'm not going to spend any more time trying to convince you that Horde isn't bad at all. After all, if you really wanted to see what we're like, you can just join us and find out for yourself. We require literally nothing from our members and we don't care if you turn up with nothing but a rookie ship, so all your stuff will be safe and waiting for you where you left it if we do turn out to be unrepentant gits.

Also as for paying Starter off, lolno. He's nowhere near as big a problem to Horde a she thinks he is. This thread has been mocked in Horde comms (why do you think so many of us are here? lol) and then forgotten entirely. He's a molehill who thinks he's a mountain.
Pterry Dactyl Kasterborous
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#90 - 2017-06-07 17:58:51 UTC
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:
After a brief excursion into Pandemic Horde's sovereignty, I feel I understand what the original poster's complaint are, at least to what I can interpret:

My Observations:
- Pandemic Horde space is indeed quite easy to walk into if you are alone, particularly with a lack of warp disruption devices, and considering I idled next to a caracal for approximately 30 seconds
- His Miner issue appears to be more of an issue in regards to the systems themselves as my observations shown that there is a lack of certain materials within their belts, aside from what can be procured from Ore sites.
- The Claim of anti-social players seems somewhat valid as I attempted to engage the natives with little success except for Dark Lord Trump
- Prices from observing the Market tool aren't as preferable to what It is potentially found elsewhere, even as an Amarrian pilot
- The rats are humongous, quite literally as most I witnessed weren't any smaller than a destroyer
- The Main staging system appears to be several jumps away from the nearest low sec station in order to acquire equipment
- It is rather boring in that direction unless you have the proper size classification of ship, or an accompanying fleet, to ensure its worthwhile.
- A number of citadels are being unused to their full potential as I passed by an unoccupied Fortizar upon entering from low sec, a practically 500 billion isk investment underutilized

So some of the original poster's complaints possess solidarity or an underlying cause, as to be impartial towards any party involved in this thread.



- his miner issue wasn't from lack of ore available. he found it maddening that miners wouldn't sell to him at 60% below Jita

- no one reads local. how about you consider that before saying horde is anti-social when discord is active 24/7 throughout multiple channels

- the huge rats can be killed by day 1 alpha characters. horde gives these newbeans ships to rat in for free

-do you know null? everything you need can be bought in staging system. if you need something you ship it in from jita with one of our many freighter services.. not go to a lowsec station lol

-lol 500 billion investment
Averyl
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#91 - 2017-06-07 19:41:45 UTC
Pterry Dactyl Kasterborous wrote:


-lol 500 billion investment


That is funny... even if it were accurate... Once again it's an indication of his ignorance of null mechanics. Every one of those citadels has some sort of purpose. Many of the ones he's complaining about don't even belong to Horde. Those that do are being used for something. Just because there isn't someone docked in them or what he perceives as a lack of market in them doesn't mean they don't have a very valid and useful purpose. Regardless, it's not like he'd listen even if it were explained.
Rhohan Alhamar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2017-06-07 20:23:49 UTC
@Anthur Nakarkos

The picture he portrays is neither ideal or horrid of your group from my understanding though I'm hesistant to join your alliance due to the nature of how you are handling the original poster, and its evident he is willing to negoatiate even under the onslaught of criticism for expressing his dissatisfaction. On the other end of the spectrum, @Starterrorprime, it seems you are trying to accomplish a goal of sorts by creating this thread, so might I suggest the both of you compromise regarding this matter. Starterrorprime wishes to acquire 500 million ISK, and Anthur, you wish for him to cease his efforts to hinder recruitment, so here is my solution, you pay Starterrorprime the ISK to write a fair review of your corporation and rescend his prior statements while ceasing his media attacks. If you two manage to settle this diplomatically, I will be more than inclined to join the Pandemic Horde Anthur, and purchase whatever sell contract Star insists on flooding my inbox with, it is idiotic that you two cannot settle this matter.

Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#93 - 2017-06-07 20:40:08 UTC
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:
Starterrorprime wishes to acquire 500 million ISK, and Anthur, you wish for him to cease his efforts to hinder recruitment, so here is my solution, you pay Starterrorprime the ISK to write a fair review of your corporation and rescend his prior statements while ceasing his media attacks.


What an extraordinary coincidence that an account that exists only to post in this thread in an incoherent thesaurus soup thinks that PanFam should pay the OP - who also posts in an incoherent thesaurus soup - half a billion ISK. I wonder how that happened?
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#94 - 2017-06-07 20:42:57 UTC
Starterrorprime makes this much sense to sum it up!!!

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Somi Zulfi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#95 - 2017-06-07 21:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Somi Zulfi
brb, gotta read 'Art of War' to become elite FC.
Dark Lord Trump
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2017-06-07 21:22:47 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
Rhohan Alhamar wrote:
Starterrorprime wishes to acquire 500 million ISK, and Anthur, you wish for him to cease his efforts to hinder recruitment, so here is my solution, you pay Starterrorprime the ISK to write a fair review of your corporation and rescend his prior statements while ceasing his media attacks.


What an extraordinary coincidence that an account that exists only to post in this thread in an incoherent thesaurus soup thinks that PanFam should pay the OP - who also posts in an incoherent thesaurus soup - half a billion ISK. I wonder how that happened?

Interestingly enough, they both fail at using the quote button in the exact same way.

@Rhohan (since this is how we're quoting now)
We're not going to bow to extortionists. Especially extortionists who can't figure out what alliance they joined or how to spell rescind. We've tried being respectful to him and it didn't work, he blatantly refused to learn. We're not going to settle the matter because there isn't really anything to settle: he's dead wrong and should probably close his mouth before he makes an even bigger fool of himself.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

Raiz Nhell
Tactically Challenged
Tactical Supremacy
#97 - 2017-06-07 23:21:29 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
*makes more popcorn*

He just doesn't learn, does he?


*makes lemonade*


I have a great recipe for homebrew hard lemonade... it might take the edge of this guy :)

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

Radious Servasse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#98 - 2017-06-08 00:13:22 UTC
I tried to help. Sad that the cancer is only spreading. I suppose the big lesson here is that fancy and eloquent language is no substitute for a proper understanding of the game mechanics.

I think Starterrorprime is too capitalistic to realise that.




Grabs popcorn. Slides on shades.
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#99 - 2017-06-08 00:28:23 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The OP's economic analysis is missing graphs.

NG;DR


Grammar, factual accuracy, and anything resembling a reasoned thought were also notably in short supply.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#100 - 2017-06-08 01:01:52 UTC
Radious Servasse wrote:
I think Starterrorprime is too capitalistic to realise that.


Frankly I'm a bit confused about that side of the OP. Free frigates for new recruits is bad because it's evil socialism, but miners should provide a local mineral supply for the common good rather than sell their output where they please?