EVE General Discussion

This doesn't happen. There are way easier ways to RMT that don't have a paper trail as long and visible as what you are coming up with.

Scamming is allowed in EVE though, so why would a GM even bother looking at it, you seem to be under the impression that this is somehow against the rules, hate to burst that bubble (not really i love it) but scamming is, and always has been, a part of EVE

Can you come up with a solid reason on why a GM would waste their time to monitor a perfectly valid form of gameplay?

Or maybe nothing is "broken". I see lots of people say something is broken, when quite clearly they have an agenda where they want something that benefits them. This is bad, IMO. It is discriminatory game development. Catering the whims and wants of sub groups of players just means you are going to get many more players whining and whining for special dispensations. Game development should be to make the entire game better not cater the needs of the few who...well are usually imprudent and foolish in this game.

Because it is being used to mask RMT...which was your original hypothesis.

Please stop going full Dryson when posting.

Eh the tinfoil these days, i know a channel ingame that the second there is a really expensive kill someone screams RMT, CCP know who the RMT'ers are, if you're seeing the same person falling for the same scam multiple times it gets a little obvious, RMT being a thing doesn't have any bearing on what should or shouldn't be allowed within the game, punish RMT with the normal reversal and banning, i mean, i could use the market to RMT, should we ban that too? i can use jetcan trading for RMT, i think that needs banning aswell, trading in a station, should also ban that etc

The consequences are having a reputation as a scammer and others not trusting you...pretty much no matter what. I know guys in game who get into corporations and rob them. I would never let them in any corp I ran (if I ran one) nor an alliance (if I ran one). I'd also tell my CEO that the guy is a thief and recommend he not be let in (or booted if he was already in). Another consequence is that somebody comes along and after being scammed want to exact vengeance and burns down your citadel. Moreover, to keep on scamming you'll likely have to cycle through alts which itself is a cost and therefore a consequence.

And once again, if you are reaching for the RMT straw you have pretty much lost. There are current mechanics that could be used to facilitate RMT....should we ban them too? Of course not. Banning something that people find useful because it can be abused by a tiny minority is simply bad game design.

You have totally lost this argument at this point. The RMT argument clinches it.

Oh, and risk is always lopsided. The amount of risk you face is due to your actions and decisions. If I go to Vegas and put my life savings including retirement fund and any equity in my house onto black at the roulette table I am taking on tremendous risk. The house, not so much because even if I win (they lose) they are going to earn that money back from the next thousand players stepping up to the table. People believe that risk should be symmetric or balanced...but it can't be, by definition. If you are stupid and somebody takes advantage of your stupidity (i.e. they are not stupid) how can they balance risk in such a situation. They can't.

I am not sure if we agree here or not.

I am not calling for anything to be banned (other than people CCP catches involved with RMT). I am fine with this scam. Maybe it is used once in a while for RMT, but that does not necessitate banning it, IMO. My view is usually, if a mechanic is being used legally by the majority of players then banning it for those who are engaged in some illegal activity is bad in that it harms those who are not doing anything wrong. Find those exploiting the mechanic and come down on them hard.

So keep scamming. This scam is not any different than the margin trading scam when you think about it. This attempt at a distinction by noting that a citadel might have been open to you prior to you accepting the contract but is closed afterwards is, IMO, a meaningless distinction. If the contract issuer is a scammer you were going to be locked out no matter what. It is up to the player to be prudent and reasonable. If they are not, then learn from the mistake and move on. Do not come complaining on the forums that the game should be changed to protect the imprudent and foolish from themselves.

I don't know why you keep considering it a scam. If this valid form of gameplay (aka scamming) was intended for the mechanic we are discussing here then it wouldn't be listed with a red exclamation point in the contract list. That's like being scammed by a guy wearing a bright red t-shirt with "I SCAM" imprinted on it.

Again you divert the topic to make it look like an anti scamming thread.

Go back and re-read the whole thread, not a single poster demanded that scamming should be banned from game and more than that most of them specified that they have no issues with scamming being a valid form of gameplay. They only asked for an exploit fix.

It is just another thread about balancing the game. Just like the t3c thread.


p.s. I think the title of the thread is being pretty succint. "Breaking news: Citadel/Plex contracting." With the newly introduced plex mechanics and the old citadel exploit there are areas in the game where this exploit can allow the price to be manipulated simply by listing something on the market while keeping it off the market through mentioned mechanics. That is no longer a scam, that is market manipulation, another valid form of gameplay affected by this mechanic.

Let's say you're a citadel owner and have machs up for sale. I buy them from you but you see the name of the buyer in the transaction list and cut my access to your citadel immediately after the transaction. I have now frozen assets in your structure just because I used the market to buy from a citadel. Nothing related to "contract scamming", just a market transaction.

Were I a fool to buy from a citadel? Would I buy from a citadel again? How does that affect the other citadels owners that just want to trade and not troll? There's no contract history here to warn me because I bought it from the market. All I can do for the future is to avoid buying from player owned structures. Should I waste all of my game time making lists with who owns what and which alt is owning what stucture that can be moved and anchored some place else? Do you realise this is absurd?