EVE General Discussion

Since much of this has coalesced around the issue of Citadel destruction in revenge, how about addressing that.

Perhaps Asset Safety, window, anchoring changes.

Afterall, these are relatively new implementations and, as usual, hardly arguable as perfect.

For sure, the mushrooming of Citadels especially in HS seems to indicate rate of destruction is not particularly incentivized.

You just blew up his citadel, clearly he did not get to keep all of his stuff.

Why are you in a thread as a moderator having an opinion? Personally the company that I am from where I am a Senior Game Master we tell our GM's not to post on opinion threads because it makes the company look back or it looks like an official response from the Dev Team.

But to answer your question, just because something happens everywhere or a majority of people agree on something, does not make it right and to say otherwise is being intellectually dishonest. We used to euthanize the mentally ill in this nation because the majority of people thought it was ok, and that's just how it was done. It is now not only morally objectionable it's criminal because as time goes on society evolves, games also must evolve as well to adapt to needs of the players, or fall short an fall under.

Haulers risk more money on a single haul, then entire fleets combined cost, I on average haul 5b loads, people I know haul 10-20b even more if needed and that's through high sec in a BR or DST. We risk way more money and time, and effort, then what it takes for a 1b citadel to go up and 24 hours later start scamming people out of billions of isk.

The scammers want to keep it, because it helps them. The die hards want to keep it because It's part of "Eve" even though it was just introduced and is not even a finished product, and highly flawed. The Haulers want to be able to deliver to a Citadel if they have a contract to it, via the tether.

The option should be there, there are very few systems in eve that directly allow you to rip off billions of isk and assets from people, this might seem fun and part of "eve" but I don't know if you've noticed eve online has been evolving and more and more people are playing PvE because the brutality of the game goes unchecked.

This is not the 2008 eve online anymore, this is 2017 and it's time to move on past allowing scamming, and down right abuse of game mechanics. You can fix this change very very easily.

If tethered to citadel then right click package to deliver. ezpz I promise if you're skilled at programming ( I know many programmers) that's a 30 minute fix with maybe an hour to compile the code and to check it to make sure it works. In less then 3 hours you could add 1 small feature that would prevent this scam from existing, and it never existed before in high security space, a space that you should if you were smart, keep sacred and a lot safer from scams.

ISD are player volunteers, not paid moderators.

I know its an unpopular opinion, but hauling is frankly too low risk as is due to various systems/mechanics.

This particular scam can easily be avoided, at no cost.
This scam preys on the uninformed and the unprofessional, and will likely be wildly lucrative for a long time to come till haulers wisen up.
Ignorance is not, and never has been an excuse in EVE.

The amount of material being hauled around EVE without being destroyed or atleast impeded/slowed is astronomic.

Some disagree but I see that as a real problem for EVE, especially as conducive to creating and strenghtening the Jita monstrosity which drains economic dynamics/content from the rest of EVE.

You're a senior GM at another company and you don't even understand the difference here between an ISD and a GM?

I smell BS in your post.

You're no more a senior GM anywhere than I am empathetic.

Basically the current mechanics just invalidate the whole courier contract system when it comes to citadels.

The entire feature is pointless if the terms can just be denied by one party after acceptance.

It hurts regular usage a lot more than the damage it causes through the scams.

It is possible to take courier contracts and select you do not want destination in low or nullsec. Why no option to exclude player owned stations ?

There is, they come with a warning you may not be able to dock.

Don't even need that.

Right now in the contract info under the destination station there is a warning in red text that says "Station may be inaccessible". That's a rather clear warning. You can normally tell too if a contract looks like a scam fairly easily but if you want to be sure you can look at the contract history of the guy.