EVE General Discussion

Eve is dying. Eve is being ganked. Eve is being scammed. Eve is feeling that everyone is after you. Eve is feeling you are misrepresented. Eve is whining about stupid stuff. Eve is hardening the fork up, and eating everyone's spaghetti.

This is Eve.

Hmph...........

I have seen past fanfest videos, even went to it 3 yrs ago in Iceland.

The original concepts for PI i liked a lot, what we have now is less than a shadow of what it could be.

Dust514 was awesome, i played it myself and enjoyed quite a bit, but we were teased with possible interaction and connection to EvE, in fact you could not interact market wise in either direction, and the artillery support was meh, not too mention that interaction was losec only.
What happened to the ability to take over colonies and raid them? What happened to the ability to support Fleets in space with Planetary Defense Weapons? Why was the interaction not developed to include Highsec and Null properly.

Then we got Valkyrie, cool a fighter sim.....my rig to include monitors and stuff is approx $4k-$5k from upgrades and the like over time an not just to play EvE. I am not spending $600 on a VR headset to play a flight sim.

Gunjack, cool......i dont play phone app games they are garbage.

Hmmm, lets see.........ah yes What ever happened to the ability for us to log in to a central server, and then choose with our character which aspect we wished to play at that time, Ground Trooper/Fighter Pilot/Ship Commander? A portal server that then lets you log into the server of game style/choice you wanted to play at the time....with a single character.

Structures, Stargates, blah blah blah....at some point they will all be meaningless unless CCP makes it so those things can lead and be used in new areas of actual space, Eden is a single Star Cluster.....mayeb its about time we get to explore the galaxy we live in?

WiS, we have the Captains Quarters, and yes i understand there proponents against this being developed, i say those people are very shortsighted and their platform arguments against will simply stall development further. I for one would love to invade a Structure with Infantry, or board a Titan whose shields fell for a few seconds to kill it from the inside, I would also love the ability to interact with others other than space......ie assassinations, starting a bar brawl, arresting/assaulting a known ganker or trade alt,
and then we have games like Final Fantasy, or the Dungeon Gambling from places like Dragon Warrior 3, or the slots from SWOTOR, stuff that can allow for some type of gambling that is Company controlled and regulated....any number of things could be prizes that way from some LP items to PLEX. And if you do want Player interaction.....Poker, or some other Lore related contest you just have to buy your chips from an NPC, chips that even if you purchased plex with reall money and transferred into ISK would cost you more in ISK then you would get from the plex.

CSM has come away from being the group long time ago created to be an Investigation unit to combat Devs entering Player groups and giving them powers adn such to cheat with in game, it is a different beast now and mostly useless to most people.

Ganking, it does not have to go away....but it needs to change, there needs to be harsher consequences for it, if your a highsec group you should be basing out of Losec, your a pirate and criminal....these player types complain all the time about High dwellers needing to get out of the kiddie pool.....thats like the pot calling the kettle black.

Is there any sure fixes for any of this? mostly no (well maybe disband the CSM)
I like EvE though and will continue to play it, until the day something like SC might actually come, a full universe....the type of universe CCP has been promising but has dragged its feet in creating.

SC and Elite forum is full of whines about gank and boring gameplay.. (games where you can play offline..)

If you want an (old) arcade spaceship gameplay go play SC, if your afraid of loosing pixel play it offline, but stop saying it's an EvE competitor, Skyrim was a big success and WoW is still here (and strong)..

One out of the four candidatesi voted for won. I'm happy

I mean PL and Goons invested a ton in rorquals a ton of pvpers run various forms of pve content to fund their adventures. Also some of the biggest ganks in game are null seccers running loot back to jita. If you get rid of the pure carebears then sure you lose out on some (most?) of the easy targets, but there should still be a bunch left. That goes for the high-sec mercs too, surely they will get paid to poco bash, take out structures, or just harass some group. How many of the big nullsec groups are just constantly wardecced so the aggressor can pick off people in highsec.

t1 meta mods, I'm thinking those mostly come from null, that stuff isn't even worth looting in highsec after all this tiericide. we used to have that meta4 is better than t2 stuff that cost a premium due to rarity, now most of the meta stuff seems to be going at commodity prices. Sure Meta 1/2 used to be like that, which is what seemed to spark the whole tiericide which seems to have made most meta mods pretty meh. And meta 3 was usually a decent price/performance.

high-sec LP, I'm almost convinced most of the non-SoE LP comes from incursion runners these days, I would love to see the numbers on that. FW made the navy corps worthless, and thus a ton of the viable agents. Irjunen used to be a decent hub with a l4 q18 agent in a 0.5 that had no chance of lowsec, it was so busy they disallowed PI in system, now well it's a wasteland. Likewise suroken had 3 lv3 caldai navy agents and was a thriving system, so popular they removed the belts, another wasteland. Some of the other research corps have decent lp offers but it is hard to find a good agent.

high-sec minerals, I guess this is where I'm kinda clueless as it seems they added a ton of lowends to the nullsec ore, that said many high belts seem mostly mined out so there is clearly a bunch of lowends coming from highsec. Similar with ice, it seems the systems with icebelts often have people in them waiting on the respawn.

high end loot, sure some of it falls in price, but a ton of that stuff goes on cap ships, or other probable pvp ships. On that note a ton if it has been falling in price anyways. How much of that is over farming and how much is changes in demand though? And is a price drop a bad thing? at some point a pvper is going to say hey that is pretty cheap I'm going to put it on my ship! and that doesn't seem like a bad thing to me.

less players less money, yep growth is a good thing there.

I always felt like the "we must help those who won't help themselves" complaint shows how out of touch the complainer is about that group.

What, exactly, does someone who logs in, undocks a blinged nightmare in 0.7 space, and kills rats for an hour before putting the kids to bed need represented?

I get that they have ideas on how to improve the game, but so do all the people who actually vote, and engage in the process.

Just like in-game, active participation is more greatly rewarded than AFK / passive playstyles.

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As in, 'being a developer isn't my income source. I have to work for it.'

Thankfully, it's gameplay I enjoy. The comment was entirely a response to someone who was (possibly. It may not have been directed at me. it can be read different ways) saying that I made my money off of referals, rather than in game.

worry was the wording from the original comment.

No, that sentence was ambiguously worded. I was referring to to YouTube streamers who reportedly rake in dozens if not hundreds of PLEX from their codes and who are therefore are playing a different game from you or I.

I was pointing out though that you are not representative of the player base. While your experience and input I am sure are much valued, and the voters thought highly enough of you to keep sending you back, only a fraction of a percent of Eve players are third-party developers. Yes, I know you do other things, but your background and interaction with the game are atypical, as is general with the CSM.

Make of that what you will, but it is true that the people who get selected are not typical Eve players or even experts in a particular area (yourself being a notable exception). They certainly don't represent proportionally the type of game play that goes on. If the CSM is suppose to be a voice for the players that probably doesn't matter that much given any player can talk to any other, but if it is to be a focus group to evaluate changes for all play styles it seems less than ideal.

It's much easier to say you let the community choose it's leader in an election than select expert on subject that will obviously lead to bias accusation.

One of the thing I think they really should stamp out is the potential leaking. When you catch someone leaking, don't just prevent them from getting back in the CSM for ever. It's just stupid since they can probably get their friend in next year with roughly the same bloc of votes. Find a way that hits HARD so they people who leak actually lose something. If you hit hard enough, this **** will eventually stop.

No, my point went over your head. If you don't use the avenues given to make suggestions to change the game, you can't complain when the game changes. It's really that simple. I pay taxes the same as everyone, but if I don't vote for the next congress or president, I give up the right to complain about government policy. Same thing.