EVE General Discussion

Well I'm happy to be on your fleets salvos. When we start our venture it will be interesting to see how you deal with people who don't want to listen. All I would say is take it easy there is no leadership in the up and coming venture it is more of a fun partnership among people who want a different perspective.

Drac, don't go there. Everybody was young once.

The last time you went there I brought up your fondness for right wing websites and you threatened to report me. You tend to get personal and when people get personal with you its tears.

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What you're actually playing is yourself, if you think you're not using this "game" as an online platform to annoy other players, break their immersion, make them rage and possibly quit.

No wonder you're triggered when I talk about basement-dwelling sociopathic edgy tryhards

I can deal with the people who wont listen, after listening to them.
Everyone is not suited for everything.
Different perspectives can find common ground towards a unifying goal.

Im good at that.
That's part of what I can bring to this project.
I/we will find a way for them to fit in, contribute, matter and be satisfied.

This goal cannot be achieved alone by any one of us.
We will lead them towards this idea and build this, together.

PS: Im very right wing, but political difference hopefully will not be a problem between us.
I dont care what yours is, I just want to build content in EVE.

Sure just quote a tiny chunk of what I wrote. I was replying to the idea of CCP starting new players in null, instead of pretty much making them find out and travel there at the beginning. Embrace the group nature of eve from the get go. Why not ask google how to read while you're there, you could use the help. Who the hell are you arguing against? Does not knowing about E-uni's null campus make what I wrote wrong or are you just nitpicking. I even commented on groups like horde picking up new players and showing them the roles because... this is exactly what happens already, only the new players start in empire.

I'm not trying to look good. You think your views are more important than the original founders , I challenged your view and you got upset and got personal as you usually do.

I think you're an emotional wreck.

As I said earlier we were all young once.

Believe it or not, I can actually remember when this family feud started.

It's been years guys. Shake hands and be friends again, already.

Mr Epeen

If you want to test this theory I recommend rolling an alpha alt and throwing it into Pandemic Horde, Brave Newbies, Karmafleet, or Dreddit on day 1

I came into this thread having seen many come and go before and quietly watching. I've seen the number of complaint threads like everyone else and my intention was to find a way to give these people what they wanted, without ruining the game as you guys want it. That is why I proposed a kind of highsec+, with severe limits on isk generation and also probably seperate on from the main eve markets through dangerous space. I got a lot of vocal reactions that my idea would either ruin the game or would be a first step in doing so. People also spent a lot of time describing what eve is, as if I don't know, but that doesn't mean much when I'm trying to talk about how we could bring these players on board so they contribute money to CCP. I still believe a safe pace would be possible, but it would take dialogue from all sides to get right.

I've since given up on pushing the idea further here, and instead like Herzogs suggestion to start new players in null, and I would like highsec renamed as empire to avoid confusion. Players could still go there to mine or mission if they wanted but they would have already started in null and realise empire is just another choice with certain mechanics. Not necessarily safe by any means. Now starting a brand new player in null brings it's own complications, but there already exist certain rules for starter systems to protect new players from being station camped etc, it might take something more though but i don't know.

This is actually the more interesting of the possible 'solutions' (to what I still regard as a non-existent problem).

You recognise that Nullsec has problems of its own, and I can probably guess what those might be, having lived there once.

The likely outcome would be for many of the starters to jump-clone out of Null into 'Empire' just as soon as they could, because a great many of them appear to be solo players looking for a single-player experience, unconcerned with joining established corps or interacting with other players.

Of course, it might benefit a few of them, but those might have made their way to Null anyway, to become Hordelings or whatever. The advent of skill injectors means that (unlike me) they wouldn't have had to spend their first few months skilling into doctrines while they were tackling in fleet ops. I didn't mind it too much, but for the impatient, EVE is just the wrong game. Or was.

But, as I said (in parentheses) at the start, I believe this is all directed to solving a problem which I struggle to appreciate anyway.

I do believe that certain game design features in Highsec need to be reworked. Top of my head, Corp structure and mechanics, wardecs.

CCP Seagull's avowed intent is to have us build stargates. As far as I recall (I've no idea where I read it) this is possibly to allow us access to Jove-held regions of space. It's a long-term thing, so I think we're talking maybe 2 years' time?

In order for that to happen, she has stressed that capsuleers will need to work together as never before. This doesn't fit with the single-player vision of some of our fellow players, so they'll probably opt out. Unless Jove-Space contains islands of utter safety and acceptable opportunities for resource-gathering. They'll be on it like a shot!

Thanks for making it easier to understand where you're coming from, Mr Mieyli.

Right and the fact that we all realize it is just a game and raging over it is like raging over landing on Park Place while playing monopoly has no impact at all.