EVE General Discussion

You got one of the better outcomes of all those I can imagine...

But you know... finding a good corp that fits you, wants you and welcomes you is like... well, just about like anything in EvE. Hard to figure out on your own, easy to fall into traps.. and doing your homework -before- attempting it pays off.

Did they refuse? Mistrust goes both ways. :) Their loss, and maybe your gain.

And if the worse happens, one can always lick his wounds and retry it with more experience that hopefully transformed into more wisdom.

Oh, believe me, I've read the thread. It's been entertaining me for days!

You gotta read between the lines of this thread, it's pretty stealthy, but it's definitely a tear thread over the New Order.

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All glory be to the Savior of Highsec, James 315. Peace and blessings be upon him.

Look at the OP's corp name, dude. It's pretty obvious that his entire identity is defined by butthurt over the New Order.

Is that turn of phrase taboo or something? You'll have to help me out here, I don't keep up with internet culture...

Hey, you know your snarky little comments also count as tears, right? Yup. Clear and evident butthurt.

Unrealistic to plex your accounts anymore? I remember the 300 mil plex days. And frankly it's a hell of a lot easier to get the 1.2b needed now than it was back then.

But what do I know, I only have 8 accounts I keep Plexed playing casually in HS.

Get rid of security all together, anyone can be attacked anywhere anytime! Nowhere to hide!
Remove nullification from interceptors, biggest joke in eve.
limit the number of player owned assets in space in each system . too many citadels and astrahas out there.
Redo the SOV crap

Was reading this discussion, found only your comment having point just one thing "No plex" you would use that to erase using credit card to get ingame money, but what will you do with many hardocore players that have same views as you do but are plexing with isk because they can, how will you keep them playing with you, also trust me plex is not big of issue, think about it a bit you will come to understand me

back then very few people actually did exploration, and scanning wasn't nearly as "entry level" as it is now. they rebalanced things to make it easier to get into, arguably the easiest career that makes reasonable isk in fact. and it is inevitably one of the first careers we suggest to alphas and newbros.

same thing with nanoribbons, Wh's where not nearly as heavily farmed back then, which kept the prices higher.

datacore farming has also all but vanished.

on the reverse side of that though, manufacturing has become considerably more profitable and easier for a new player to compete in. and with the reduced price of pirate hulls, its easier and faster than ever to get into one for both lvl 4 missions or incursions. yes inflation has made it SLIGHTLY more difficult to plex your accounts, but most of your examples are just formerly high income activities that have been rebalanced and since become low-moderate income ones. which is more due to alphas and newbros actually running the content more, than it has to do with the overall price of plex.

This would help overall subscriber numbers I think (at least in the short run). Many people (especially new players) would be more interested in a "start from scratch" location where everyone is beginning with a few hundred thousand isk... as opposed to sharing space with people who have hundreds of billions of isk when they have just a few hundred thousand.

In the long run... splitting the player base probably would be an issue. But I do think it will always be difficult to attract new players to a mature, 15 year old universe where people are already entrenched. I came back with the recent Alpha release... but I wasn't starting fresh. I had a 35 million SP and a 12 million SP toon to come back too with about 10 billion in assets. I'm nowhere near competitive with the long time players... but I'm not starting from scratch either. I'm not sure I would sub if I started from scratch.

Perhaps there's another solution than a new server to attract new players. The Alpha program gives people a taste and that has helped... but the trend is going to go back to a downward one soon I think. Perhaps some sort of gift can be created for a new subscriber to help new players feel like the gulf between them and established players is something that can be closed... without drastically messing up how new players learn to play the game.

I disagree with the first sentence strongly. I've seen a million people in the new pilots forum make posts about how it takes too long to get to (what they perceive) as the "end game" to be told by everyone here that Eve has no end game and that they should quit and go play WOW or something.

Now of course not everyone has the mindset of wanting to take part in the "upper echelons" of a game... but it's silly not to recognize that many do.

Second... while new players do join, we've been going in a negative direction for a while now in terms of total players (with an uptick with Alphas but not an upward trend overall). That means more people are stopping playing Eve than starting. While we don't have hard numbers on that, I wonder how many more of those who are stopping are people relatively new to the game (those who subbed for a few months to a year and didn't renew) vs those who had been longer term players. I'm enjoying myself a lot now... and I enjoyed myself a lot when I stopped in 2009 (I left due to out of game reasons, not due to lack of enjoyment). But even back in the 2006-2009 time period... I hit a lull period where the game stopped being new but I had to wait for a while to get to be able to do things I wanted to do. I stopped playing as much and nearly quit... but decided to give it another try (with another 6-9 months of AFK training)... and had a much better time. Perhaps I connected with a better group of players... but I'm not so sure. I've tried going back with alts and doing stuff with that level of skill points and isk rewards... and frankly I tolerate it less now than I did back then. I do think there's a period from after the game stops being new and before you start having enough skills and taking in enough isk to start thinking about strategic goals in the game as opposed to just "getting by" where Eve struggles most with retention.

Now keep in mind... CCP has done some good things to make it more palatable than it was when I went through that lull. For example, we don't have to worry about learning skills anymore (that was a horrible thing... waiting for learning skills to train so you could start actually training to do stuff... or suffering crappy training times by not training learning skills). But I still firmly believe there is a point (perhaps a different point depending on what you're doing) where you have to get past a grind to get to "the good stuff". And it usually hits at a point where the 600m skill injector cost is prohibitive in terms of what you can make with the skills you have at the time.

But again... my views are from my experience years ago and what I see as an older player who went back and tried to run lower level content in an alt. I could be totally off on what a 6-12 month player who's new to Eve is feeling.