EVE General Discussion

Maybe in your little mind, sure, but nothing you've said here, nor what Epeen said above as an attempt to 'trigger' me, has any relevance to the points I've made, and in turn do nothing to contradict them.

Stupid Encrypted URLs - imagine a lure being hit by a big dumb fish <3

Edit: ohh he's so angry double defensive post ...

Much like Tippia before you, the only thing you seem passionate about is getting in the last word.

Mr Epeen

So when I disagree with someone, I just have to not respond at all in case poor little you feels like I'm getting the last word? And I should care why?

You say these things like I'm not aware, or that you think I'm in some kind of 'battle'. I've been on these forums for a few years now. In case you hadn't noticed. I know Epeen and others here quite well. Sometimes he has a point to make, and it's usually a worthwhile one. Usually, he's just a snarky little **** that posts for the sake of poking at people instead of contributing. This is an occasion of the latter, which is why I'm reporting every one of his posts that doesn't contribute to the discussion at hand. Until an ISD cleans it up, I'll continue putting him in his place. There is no battle here, he is but a fish in a barrel.

I think ganking was a lot less common when I first starting playing back in late 2005.

The only time I remembering needing to care about it was during Wardecks, and I even remember discussions on comms about many of our players from null sec not being used to having their in-corp industrials being shot at in high sec.

And if I remember right is was members of Freelancers who were pissed about the original war dec nerf that started the neutral ganking thing wholesale.

Rubbish.

Tank is largely useless. Tank doubles align time meaning twice as much damage taken. Inertial stabs half it meaning its better to fit stabs. Its better to warp out faster with less tank.

Tags are used prolifically by gankers.

You could build a battleship and get back more than build cost with plat insurance but it definitely did not cover plat insurance as well. It also didn't cover the costs of 8 large guns. Please post proof I'm sure there is lots of evidence for such an obvious isk faucet.

Your last paragraph is pure science fiction :)

Edit:

Freighters released with Exodus in 2005.

There was a small period of time in 2009 where you could make a small profit from producing your own battleships and self destructing them. Some producers did it on a grand scale self destructing battleships they built. It could not be done by none producers and only thousands of battleships would make it worthwhile. They were not fitted.


From CCP referring to the issue

What was the OP again lol

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The thing is it has pretty much been about billion ISK in terms of ganking for cargo value. I don't have an old version of EFT or something to go back to damage from a BS from 7 years ago. But I do recall running the numbers and coming away with 1 billion. Over that and you were really pushing it. Under that and it wasn't nearly as risky. Of course, now there are more variables to play with now. An anti-tanked freighter can drop that ganking cargo value down. The cargo value has to be at least 250-270 million to break even. Supposing you want at least some level of profit, say 25% then 330 million. Now, with the same type of catalysts (i.e. each one doing 640 DPS) you'll need at a bare minimum 32 catalysts or about 352 million worth of catalysts (using the 11 million ISK cost noted earlier). So now the barely gankable freighter cargo value is 704 million ISK. Using our 25% profit ratio you get 880 million ISK. And this is assuming a pre-pulled CONCORD and some reasonably high DPS on average--i.e. some pilots with reasonable decent amount of SP for flying a catalyst. Point is if you tank your freighter and keep the cargo value under 700 million ISK...you are unlikely to be ganked. Quite unlikely, especially when some boob is flying around with 7 billion in his freighter.

Oh and that 25% profit ratio is pretty thin for that freighter with 880 million ISK in it. We are talking about 5.2 million each. So yeah, if you push it to a billion you aren't increasing your risk that much. For 34 pilots that is 8.7 million ISK each. And these are the bare minimum of numbers. If you bring an extra 2-3 pilots for the extra DPS and have 2-3 scouts, the numbers make 1 billion look just fine. The same number I got when I first bought my charon.

So, how about this: If we go with the minimal safe value of a tanked freighter, freighters and freighter ganking has gone through a number of changes, but on the whole it has not been nerfed or buffed. We'll set aside the organizational/logistics aspects as that has always been there.