Missions & Complexes

It's me again.

Every time I kill a burner I copypaste the burner type, system security, loot(s) in my notes.

I made a program to parse it and get the Jita BO value of each drop.

here is the result, ordered by average loot value decreasing , in the form group : averageBO : number

https://pastebin.com/srnz57TK

the first line base-serpentis-0.9 : 9,78 : 4 means I killed 4 base serpentis in .9 security, and the average BO value was 9.78M.

I grouped the burners by type, faction, security status, and combinations (eg base-serpentis-0.8 means base talos in sec 0.8).

eg burner : 0,66 : 182 means I killed a whole 182 burners for a 0.66 BO average
maybe I should not take the BO value ?


(I incidentaly learnt eve-central does not accept request of more than 2048 caracters)

the burnerparser code is here : https://github.com/guiguilechat/EveOnline/blob/master/Database/src/main/java/fr/guiguilechat/eveonline/database/loot/BurnerParser.java

I started it precisely for this reason : I noticed a drop in the burners' loot around january. Since I can't affirm something without having a minimum of facts, I started keeping records and now that I have acces to SDE and evecentral I can process those records.

Of course it does not mean anything about data before I started recording.

I still need to understand how the SDE actually works, but yeah the next step is to count the number of non-ammo faction drops.

However, on 182 runs this is too small of a number, I need to get moar data (and moar LP !! )

Honestly, I think it can go either way. After running the numbers on Pyfa, the BCU provides the most damage on paper, but it was really close and different skills can change the numbers. When it comes to applied damage, I'm not sure which is better. The Ashimmu targets drones so aggressively that your applied drone damage is going to be much lower, but you spend 35 seconds reloading your missiles during the fight. I'm running a BCU, but I need to try it with a third DDA and compare my completion times. My suspicion is that there won't be a significant difference.

smartboy !

Pirate Burner

Burner Dramiel - Angel Agent
Time to kill: ~45sec
DPS: 361 Void+hot ~2:30min
- OH both hardeners while in warp.You may have to OH your repair module. OH your guns at optimal


Burner Succubus - Sansha Agent
Time to kill: 1:17min
DPS: 432 Void+hot ~2:30min
- You need a web that has 16 km range with OH.
- OH your hardener while in warp. On landing OH your web and OH your AB, close the distance and OH guns at optima


Burner Worm - Gurista Agent
Time to kill: 1:58min
DPS: 361 Void+hot ~2:30min
Speed: 4641m/s, hot 6683m/s
- You may use a scram (reduces Burner Worm’s speed to ~???) with more range or use a 60% web to reduce Burner Worm’s speed to ~360m/s.
- OH both hardeners while in warp. On landing align for 2s and then start your MWD, OH your MWD in the 2nd cycle. Be very careful while closing in you have to OH your repair module. Shut down your MWD after the 2nd cycle and scram or web the Burner Worm. After your are in optimal adjust your speed +10% to the Burner Worm and keep at range in optimal. OH guns at optimal.


Burner Cruor Blood Agent
Time to kill: 3:15min
DPS: 311 Fusion, 347 Hail
- Just switch to a T2 repair module and you have a cheap version.
- The time to kill difference between using Fusion or Hail is negligible. Fusion has little more falloff and better tracking. Hail the better DPS
-Slow boat straight away and a webbed Cruor should stay at ~3.7km, best DPS is always in 1/3 of falloff adjust you Ammo/layout to that. OH your repair module while you have cap. You may have to OH your cap booster.
- Alternative cap stable layouts by Zarek Kree and Zekir Shardani


Burner Daredevil Serpentis Agent
Time to kill: ~1:06min
EFT DPS: 268 Scourge Rage Rocket; 315 hot ~54s
Real DPS on the Burner Daredevil ~115 DPS
- You have to OH your shield booster from time to time
- You may want to use a mobile depot and switch 1x web for an AB or 2x webs for a MWD to get the loot faster.
- You may switch the webs for cheaper 55% or expansive 60% webs but make sure you have enough range 12km without overheat.
- Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II vs Small Bay Loading Accelerator II, 4 DPS difference is negligible but with a WCC you need less Rockets.
- Alternative hawk layout with T2 rockets read this old post and adapt the layout
- Alternative cap stable layout by Zarek Kree

Team Burner
- All Burner warp in at 40km, all Burner Logis and Burner Assault Ships have standard ingame resistance profiles. Always and i mean always kill at least 1x Logi Burner first.
- Using a brawling setup AB+web is mandatory, make sure your webbed+heated AB speed is at least +200 m/s faster than a webbed Burner Logi. In case you can't match the Burner speed with your AB use a T2 speed rig or an A-Type AB or speed imps like Zor's Hype
- Using Kiting setup special advise
Be advised one mistake in range control aka getting webbed (web range is ~14km) by Burner Assault Ships = instant death, no escape. Use the kiting setups on your own risk.

Team Burner
Notes:
- Works vs every Team Burner
- Make sure your orbit is at least 20km and vs Burner Jaguar at least 25km better 30km because of the very rare wrecking shots.
- Missile range with standard faction is 29.7km in case you need more use T2 Javelins against Logis or against the Jaguar
- Missile usage:
Mjolnir vs Hawk, Bantam, Burst
Nova vs Enyo, Navitas, Inquisitor
Inferno vs Vengeance
Scourge vs Jaguar

DPS 321 hot ~1:21min

Base Burner

Burner Ashimmu Blood Base - Gila
- You will lose Drones so TII Drones setups aren't cost-efficient. TI Drones work fine on the Gila and are cost and time efficient.
- As usual NPC AI is weird there is no guarantee that the AI behaviour will last. Be warned if the AI changes you might lose this Gila setup because tank isn't sustainable. Again this setup works only because Drones will be targeted and DPS taken away from your Gila.
- After warp in align away from the Ashimmu to buy time, kill the Sentinels first.
- You don't have to avoid the NOS/Neut on the Ashimmu as your Omnidirectional Tracking Link II only need 0.1 cap, you can always switch it back on.
- You may want to use a mobile depot and start with 2x INDDA and 1x CNBC when you are in reload switch to 3x INDDA. Switch to a MWD after if you want to loot.

Time to kill avrg. 3:06
DPS
403 with Vespa I + 229 (with reloads 157) Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile vs Sentinel
403 with Vespa I + 280 (with reloads 192) Caldari Scourge Fury Light Missile vs Ashimmu
Tank
63.5k EHP with 13844 shield hitpoints vs 72:28 EM:The
261 DPS passive recharge at peak
Speed 244m/s



Burner Talos Serpentis Base - Vagabond
- Do not approach any Talos directly, always use a zig-zag course to get close to ~60km then get into orbit. Never shut down your repair modul while approaching, shut it down when you are in orbit.
- Cap managment is most important make sure you inject your charges in time.
- Put some nanite paste in your cargo, OH your MWD/AB while approaching and repair while in orbit killing the Talos. Do the same with guns just vice versa.
- The most difficult thing is to get into orbit, shut down your MWD early enough and use Ctrl+Spacebar to set speed to 0. Try to avoid overshooting with your ship, you will get a feeling for that, it is just trial and error.
- The pimped Vagabond works very well but be aware that you have to actively manage your tank and cap. That makes the rep, OH and cap managment more stressful.
- The Vagabond has less DPS than the Deimos but way better speed, you need less time to close the range but more time to kill the Talos. In the end you gain ~1min.
- To get close use orbit 5km and immediately switch to keep at range 5km, align to and slowboat to 1.5km. Only heat your 425mm when you are aligned and if you don't have to reapir your MWD. The close range makes looting more easier too.

Time to kill avrg. 5:22min (includes looting)
DPS
623 Hail + 99 Hobgoblin II
696 Hail hot ~1:05min + 99 Hobgoblin II
Tank
EHP 17.6k
792 perma vs Spike L
Speed 2759m/s hot 3931m/s



Burner Escort Dramiel Angel Base - Vigilant
- Small Drones will be targeted immediately, you can use TI Drones (Hornets) as sacrifice to lower the DPS on you or Acolyte to do extra DPS. Initial DPS to tank is ~450 without using sacrificial Drones. Using sacrificial Drones you don't need tank at all but i won't recommend that.
- This setup is based on not using Drones at all. The Acolyte will do extra DPS and are sacrificial Drones if you want to use them.
- You can use a full T2 setup but then you have to overheat your armor rep and hardener at the start while using sacrificial Drones otherwise your tank will be not sufficient.
- Use a mobile depot and start with 3x T2 webs after you finished the Dramiels switch 1x web for a MWD.

Time to kill ~2:35min
DPS
762 + 66 Acolyte I
877 Void hot ~1:20min + 66 Acolyte I
Tank
EHP 27.3k
484 perma vs Escort Dramiel
Speed 2104m/s hot 3012m/s

Skimmed posts but didn't see any fits for the Gurista base with supercarrier. Did find a you tube using a Cerberus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qKOZwrbpIE

Seemed the ship was tanked properly but I can't see what the mods are. Any help?

Oh wait, I see at start of vid he shows fittings. comments?

Thanks for the reply. I did notice it took a long time to do it and all the guy got was some faction missiles, so I'll put that mission in the pass col.