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Grr miners.

I see internal diplomatic incidents waiting to happen. Once mined, there's no way to force someone to pay you a fee. This literally is asking for drama, and not the good kind, but the players/corps being kicked from their alliances kind due to the actions of the few kind.


First, might I suggest causing the structure to put a "barrier" along the belt which when crossed will warn that a % fee based on the value will be deducted from the player's wallet (based on the owner's settings) at the end of every cycle. If they can't pay the fee the cycle fails and that's that.
Allow this to be bypassed by a new form of the "siphon" units which allow entry undetected of the anchoring player. Entries show within the mining log as "unknown" but still have it log the stolen goods. These new deployables should be 1 shot deals which cannot be picked up and last for their duration maybe an hour, up to a day.


Last point, simply due to the number of moons in existence, and the unknown size of the belts created (I'd assume along the lines of what we see in a small belt anomaly, this could take a lot of time even if you stagger them. The task of mining the materials will be daunting. Perhaps consider allowing the structures to still passively mine the material over the 1-2 week cycle that it takes for the next rock to be hauled up. That way once the new rock is there, the previous one has been cleared.

This also allows for a constant amount of materials to continue to enter the market, but allows for players to speed up the process without actually effecting volume.

I think a major misconception is that most line members have no idea what it costs to keep all of the alliance services up and running. I-hubs, upgrades, jump bridges/cynogenys, towers, citadels, and the physical items that go with these (towers/structures, fuel blocks, SRP, etc) all cost isk.

I imagine at the big coalition level there's graft (every society has this problem) but at the small/medium alliance level it's a struggle to make it month to month, especially in a war where SRP demands skyrocket.

For the love of God and all the is holy -

PLEASE

Stop introducing more structures that require rigs using raw materials that are already too scares on the market to support!

Reduce the number of raw materials on rigs for these structures, there is no balance.


ALSO-

It's obvious that CCP - you - designed the Upwell structures to need rigs for max efficiency. In thinking that you wanted to provide "profitable" content to salvage players, you made the rigs require a "stupid" amount of raw materials. This thinking would lead to more salvage content to balance the market because of demand - profit follows the player. However, that has not happened and your flawed thinking has resulted in a severe deficit in raw materials.
This proposed change follows the exact same flawed thinking - people who do not mine for content will not change their play style just because it becomes more profitable.

This one change can/may/might collapse the game market and lose players from being priced out of play style. It's not like there is an army of salvagers all of a sudden? Why would there be an army of miners to mine rocks and not tears?

This was mentioned over on Reddit (original comment here), but it's a good idea and I thought it was worth reposting in the official thread:

Maybe your alliance won't let you keep the goo from refineries.

questions

1) will rorquals be able to dock at the Large Refinery (as they cannot dock in azbels but can in fortizars)

2) will normal mining drones/Strip Miners/ mining lasers work on moon chunks or will we need 'moon harvesting 5 and a Moon Laser/drones'

3) will currently 'dead' 'resourceless' moons be given materials?

4) will current moon mineral distributions be reviewed and possibly changed regardless of 3)

This is exciting news. I am all for the new interactive moon mining.

I try.

I actually like the sound of a lot of this. Some notes on the moon mining in relation to wormholes:

• I actually agree with keeping moon goo out of wormholes. While it'd be nice, it'd also encourage the more powerful K-space groups to move into wormhole space.
• The ice requirement is hopefully modest, as ice is the single most annoying thing to replenish in wormhole space, since ice belts only appear in shattered systems.
• Recommend allowing moon mining on barren moons, including in wormholes, but it produces mineable ore and/or ice asteroids. Mining ops in wh space is treacherous, but this would go a long way to dealing with unpredictable ore anomalies.