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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Archer en Tilavine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#521 - 2017-03-21 22:40:01 UTC
(Note: I have not read the previous posts, so I am replying in a standalone fashion)

I am 100% for consolidating PLEX and Aurum. The end result more closely resembles Aurum than PLEX but uses the PLEX name - whatever. Personally I would go a step further to create an more generalized intercharacter currency vault where ISK, PLEX, AK (Analysis Kredits), and LP (Loyalty Points) can be easily transferred between characters while logged into any other character on the same account. ISK and PLEX can already be traded, so perhaps AK and LP can be traded, too, at least across characters on the same account if not with non-account characters. (I can understand why some people would argue against LP being included, but I think it's safe to say that, if it isn't already, AK should be global across characters on the same account)

I understand both sides of the debate of ganking people who ship PLEX in less-than-ideal ways. I want to point out one major but clearly overlooked detail, though: there is a HUGE difference between taking advantage of a stupid person (ie. one who should have known better) and an ignorant person (one who would not have known better). We should not take advantage of young and naive capsuleers who have not learned EVE to the extent that they are aware of the risks of shipping PLEX, know how to mitigate the risks, and are aware of alternatives. There are many honorable pirates in EVE who will compensate victims well over the loss of their ship and give them advice, but not when it comes to PLEX. I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of "stupid people" who lose PLEX by shipping them in ill-equipped ships are not, in fact, stupid, but newbies. There is no shortage of stupid people of all kinds with whom to decorate your killboards with, so the proposed changes are not going to change this fact. This proposal will spare the newbies and their real life wallets with only a minimal impact on ganking poorly defended high-value targets. And there will be no shortage of poorly defended transports shipping high-value goods. If we have to choose between protecting our right to kill a very small segment of the population of stupid people and defending people's hard-earned real life money, I'm going to pick the latter every time.

Oh, and please convert ALL Aurum to PLEX, not just balances over 1000. EVE will recover from whatever one-time market shock you throw at it. There are so many ways to handle this gracefully, but even the worst case scenario isn't all that bad. One option would be to gradually phase everyone's PLEX into Aurum by a fixed or percentage amount every day or week. Another option would be to create a dedicated currency exchange feature/window where PLEX (and perhaps in the future AK and LP) price controls help mitigate market shock to currencies but NOT to the market in general, as this would be implemented as a separate feature. I know the last time I played Runescape back in 2008 or so they implemented price controls on their auction system that let you place buy/sell orders within a relatively generous percentage range of the going rate to control market shocks. It was a novel feature in that no other MMO had anything like it, and it definitely stabilized the market for the better. Trade skyrocketed as buyers found great deals and sellers made great profits, a win-win for everyone. I am NOT proposing that such a feature apply to markets in general, but rather be restricted to PLEX and other form of currencies down the road.
Alexa Machavela
KarmaFleet University
#522 - 2017-03-22 00:24:21 UTC
I keep seeing people fuss about how the PLEX vault is going to end the practice of the unwise flying around with PLEX in their cargo. This seems to be based on the assumption that the PLEX vault will make the PLEX inside available at every location in game, yet that's not what the dev blog said at all.

As I understand it, the PLEX vault allows all characters in an account to access the PLEX. In other words, if Char1 puts PLEX in the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4, Char2 can access it from the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4. Char3 flying around in Amarr space will still have to fly to Jita before accessing the vault. That's kinda how inventory works location-wise already - items available in one station are NOT also available in all stations - and CCP is considering tacking on the vault to the inventory window. It's the wallet that grants ISK access in all locations, and CCP is NOT announcing that the vault is part of the wallet.

In other words, PLEX would still be flown from point A to point B, but a third party character on another account or posting a contract to another character on the same account - neither of which required undocking with PLEX in your cargo bay with the current game mechanics anyway - will no longer be neccessary.

So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Ronnie Rose
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#523 - 2017-03-22 04:43:45 UTC
It's official.

The denominated PLEX will not be used to buy game times less than 30 days, so no cyno alts subbed for only hours at a time.

AURUM balances less than a 1000 will be later converted to the new denominated PLEX after balances over a 1000 have been converted.

The end.

We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game
Didicad
Zima Corp
#524 - 2017-03-22 08:04:25 UTC
Most idiotic idea from CCP ever, even worst than FozzySOV.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#525 - 2017-03-22 09:48:44 UTC
Alexa Machavela wrote:
I keep seeing people fuss about how the PLEX vault is going to end the practice of the unwise flying around with PLEX in their cargo. This seems to be based on the assumption that the PLEX vault will make the PLEX inside available at every location in game, yet that's not what the dev blog said at all.

As I understand it, the PLEX vault allows all characters in an account to access the PLEX. In other words, if Char1 puts PLEX in the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4, Char2 can access it from the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4. Char3 flying around in Amarr space will still have to fly to Jita before accessing the vault. That's kinda how inventory works location-wise already - items available in one station are NOT also available in all stations - and CCP is considering tacking on the vault to the inventory window. It's the wallet that grants ISK access in all locations, and CCP is NOT announcing that the vault is part of the wallet.

In other words, PLEX would still be flown from point A to point B, but a third party character on another account or posting a contract to another character on the same account - neither of which required undocking with PLEX in your cargo bay with the current game mechanics anyway - will no longer be neccessary.
Why would you do a contract to another character on the same account? In fact if using plex for game time, why would you do anything other than donate it to whoever (doesn't even have to be on the same account)?

There is NEVER a valid reason to undock with Plex in a cargo hold - except for RMT purposes.


My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Alexa Machavela
KarmaFleet University
#526 - 2017-03-22 16:38:53 UTC
The Sleeper1A wrote:
Taking something I have paid for away is an "Unfair Business Practice" this was made an actionable offence by "The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008" under Aggressive commercial practices 7.-1 (a) and (b)

Quote:
7.—(1) A commercial practice is aggressive if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstances—
(a)it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the average consumer’s freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and
(b)it thereby causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise.



The maximum fine for any one case was £5,000 but the cap was removed even at the old cap CCP could receive up to a £5,000 fine for every $4.99 worth of Aurum or portion thereof they steal.


TL;DR if CCP takes something you paid for they will be in a hurt locker of trouble.


References:

Law and statutes
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/contents/made

£5,000 fine cap being removed:
http://www.linklaters.com/Insights/Publication1005Newsletter/UK-Corporate-Update-1-April-2015/Pages/Statutory-max-fine-unlimited.aspx


The legal bits you quoted: UK
CCP: Iceland

Any questions?

So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Alexa Machavela
KarmaFleet University
#527 - 2017-03-22 16:40:39 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Alexa Machavela wrote:
I keep seeing people fuss about how the PLEX vault is going to end the practice of the unwise flying around with PLEX in their cargo. This seems to be based on the assumption that the PLEX vault will make the PLEX inside available at every location in game, yet that's not what the dev blog said at all.

As I understand it, the PLEX vault allows all characters in an account to access the PLEX. In other words, if Char1 puts PLEX in the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4, Char2 can access it from the PLEX vault in Jita 4-4. Char3 flying around in Amarr space will still have to fly to Jita before accessing the vault. That's kinda how inventory works location-wise already - items available in one station are NOT also available in all stations - and CCP is considering tacking on the vault to the inventory window. It's the wallet that grants ISK access in all locations, and CCP is NOT announcing that the vault is part of the wallet.

In other words, PLEX would still be flown from point A to point B, but a third party character on another account or posting a contract to another character on the same account - neither of which required undocking with PLEX in your cargo bay with the current game mechanics anyway - will no longer be neccessary.
Why would you do a contract to another character on the same account? In fact if using plex for game time, why would you do anything other than donate it to whoever (doesn't even have to be on the same account)?

There is NEVER a valid reason to undock with Plex in a cargo hold - except for RMT purposes.




My point wasn't 'how to help people RMT'. My point is that you will still be able to blow them up during transport.

So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Alexa Machavela
KarmaFleet University
#528 - 2017-03-22 17:14:24 UTC
marly cortez wrote:
As to this Plex issue, having never had the need for plex since multi boxing got kicked into touch, the whole thing seems to put it politely, a non-issue.

However, the darker picture here is this advertisement, seems the selling reptiles have slithered in by the back door to me battering your face with products no one would ever consider buying in the first place always missing the real point here, that if it really was any good people would already know all about it and would not require this intrusive prompting.





For items no one would ever consider buying, there sure seem to be plenty of them in game. Apparently not everyone wants to have an overly generic paint job on their ship or look like the homeless person that hasn't changed their clothes in years.

I, for one, enjoy not dressing like a dirty poor or an Alpha. TBH, I rather liked the really old system that allowed for some truly off-the-wall empire-race-based outfits to be chosen in character creation. The character creation outfits disappeared long ago, but it's nice to be able to buy them in the store for a measly few bucks.

And if it weren't the case that some people DO like cosmetic items, no one would have purchased AURUM in the first place, even for the purpose of reselling in-game. After all, resellers don't make a profit off of buying and *attempting to* sell items that no one ever buys.

*I have a bit of AURUM left, but it's just leftovers. It's too little to buy anything with, so I had no way to convert it back anyway, so losing a few pennies-worth of something that was just collecting space-dust doesn't bother me at all. Heck, when I RL shop with cash, I tell the cashier to just keep the pennies for whoever needs them - they are just pennies.

So long, and thanks for all the isk.
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#529 - 2017-03-22 17:22:01 UTC
AFK Hauler wrote:
Scanning the thread, I can see that there is about 98.76% negative response to this subject.

Wonder what % we need to be before CCP calls off this nonsense.




















Lies, damn lies, and these numbers....



Looks like it's about 98% negative feedback before CCP listens. Good job peeps for talking sense into CCP over these changes.
Alexa Machavela
KarmaFleet University
#530 - 2017-03-22 18:31:22 UTC
Dr Missy wrote:
... Unless you are saying you can buy stuff on the New Eden store for ~ 250 PLEX or something since Aurum is going away.


That's exactly what they are saying.

So long, and thanks for all the isk.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#531 - 2017-03-23 17:13:20 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Olleybear wrote:


Perhaps you could enlighten us(2) with a preponderance of evidence that the CSM is profiteering on this latest change to our wondrous Eveonline community?



Aryth:

"What happens when you put the long term planner on the CSM and seeing the long term plans. Good things for us that's what."


BTW for those who don't know Aryth is a member of csm.

Salutations! It would seem you are implying that a CSM member by the name of Aryth is currently manipulating the market for PLEX based on two sentences that member apparently uttered. This hardly constitutes proof of a conspiracy over the price of PLEX via market manipulation. Indeed, the above sentence you quoted could mean just about anything.



I think the 2 sentences mean what he says. That is he will use the information about ccps long term plans that he gets from being on csm to benefit his coalition.

You ask for evidence that people from csm used information to their benefit here. I gave you a direct quote from a csm member saying he will do just that with the nda information. And you say well its just generally he will do that its not proof he did that here.

Well why do you think he didn't do that here? I mean clearly he has no qualms about using nda to benefit his alliance. Since he made that clear why would we think he wouldn't do that here?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Starpicket TheOG
East Impass Trading Co
#532 - 2017-03-23 22:49:56 UTC
I like what CCP is trying to do with "PLEX" But I don't think they are going the right way about it. for example.
the cost of a "PLEX" is about 1,168,000,000 at the moment. if they where broken into 500 the cost of a "Plex Piece" would be 2,336,000.
This means that a month of game time would cost 500 X 2,336,000 = 1,168,000,000 making the monthly subscription the exact same, because each of those 500 pieces are usless without the other 499 to those seeking a monthly sub. granted the prices would drop initially as aurum transfering adds to the supply.


I would suggest that a "PLEX" be broken into 30 pieces , and change the "PLEX" to be 24 hours of game time. this would do a couple of things for the players and for CCP.


1. A player could buy "PLEX" in smaller amounts as they get the isk and not run the risk of falling out of Omega.

2. A players could pick and choose there time for Omega, and this is the important one for CCP I believe. This would open the game up more to the "weekend warriors" in gaming, as most "weekend warriors" are reluctant to sub to a game because 5 out of the 7 days for the sub is wasted to them. Lets face it CCP they are the ones with all the money because they are working all week, If they only get a few hours to play on a weekend don't you worry for a second that they wouldn't buy LOADS of "PLEX" to sell for ISK to inject into things. They will be impatient as they have limited time, they with want to dive straight into the real PVP in expensive ships. and for the full time players that means easy expensive kills, but ultimately for higher end content.

3. I believe this would reduce the demand for "PLEX" among the "FULL Time player" slightly as people would be extending 30 days of "PLEX" using them smarter out to 40-50 days. and there would be Extra on the market from the "weekend warriors".

4. This would drop the price of "PLEX" in game as the demand is slightly reduced making it harder to "BUY A SUPER" with "PLEX", witch means people would need to buy more "PLEX" from CCP to be able to afford things.

For example a carrier Hull costs about the price of a "PLEX" at the moment or $20, if the price of "PLEX" drops 50% (witch is not realistic now but not out of the realm of reality for EVE) then it would cost somone $40 to buy a carrier with "PLEX".

I hope you read this CCP and I hope you consider it or something like it, as the general opinion of the 500 pieces is not a good idea. After all isn't this a players game?

Kind regards

Starpicket TheOG
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#533 - 2017-03-24 01:57:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Olleybear
Cearain wrote:

I think the 2 sentences mean what he says. That is he will use the information about ccps long term plans that he gets from being on csm to benefit his coalition.

You ask for evidence that people from csm used information to their benefit here. I gave you a direct quote from a csm member saying he will do just that with the nda information. And you say well its just generally he will do that its not proof he did that here.

Well why do you think he didn't do that here? I mean clearly he has no qualms about using nda to benefit his alliance. Since he made that clear why would we think he wouldn't do that here?

Hello my friend! We(1) are eager to answer why We do not think he breached the NDA as of yet. If a CSM member were to use NDA information ahead of time and move to give themselves or someone else an unfair in game advantage by disclosing said NDA information before CCP released this information for public consumption, that CSM member would be removed from the CSM. Further, depending on how egregious the breach, that person could receive a ban from playing Eve Online. CCP has internal tools which can catch nefarious activity by any CSM members who might be jockeying for in game advantage by breaching the NDA. Surely this CSM member would be removed post-haste by CCP should he try and would have been removed already if he were currently breaching the NDA.

Here are a few links showing actual proof of what We say:
Ankhesentapemkah for NDA breach
Larkonis Trassler of CSM 3 for NDA breach

There are quite possibly more than just the above two We have linked but We do not have the inclination nor, dare We say, even the need to pursue more proof for Our side of the debate.
This, my friend, is solid proof of CCPs past actions showing they will indeed remove and ban people from the CSM for doing exactly what you are claiming Aryth is doing/planning on doing based on two sentences he once uttered. We are eagerly awaiting for you to show proof, not more words, Proof to Us of an actual NDA violation, and not a simply reposting the same two sentences over and over again.

Fine Print: (1)We, Our, and Us denotes the multiple personalities are getting bored of not seeing proof of illicit actions but merely a reposting of words.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#534 - 2017-03-24 14:22:19 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Cearain wrote:

I think the 2 sentences mean what he says. That is he will use the information about ccps long term plans that he gets from being on csm to benefit his coalition.

You ask for evidence that people from csm used information to their benefit here. I gave you a direct quote from a csm member saying he will do just that with the nda information. And you say well its just generally he will do that its not proof he did that here.

Well why do you think he didn't do that here? I mean clearly he has no qualms about using nda to benefit his alliance. Since he made that clear why would we think he wouldn't do that here?

Hello my friend! We(1) are eager to answer why We do not think he breached the NDA as of yet. If a CSM member were to use NDA information ahead of time and move to give themselves or someone else an unfair in game advantage by disclosing said NDA information before CCP released this information for public consumption, that CSM member would be removed from the CSM. Further, depending on how egregious the breach, that person could receive a ban from playing Eve Online. CCP has internal tools which can catch nefarious activity by any CSM members who might be jockeying for in game advantage by breaching the NDA. Surely this CSM member would be removed post-haste by CCP should he try and would have been removed already if he were currently breaching the NDA.

Here are a few links showing actual proof of what We say:
Ankhesentapemkah for NDA breach
Larkonis Trassler of CSM 3 for NDA breach

There are quite possibly more than just the above two We have linked but We do not have the inclination nor, dare We say, even the need to pursue more proof for Our side of the debate.
This, my friend, is solid proof of CCPs past actions showing they will indeed remove and ban people from the CSM for doing exactly what you are claiming Aryth is doing/planning on doing based on two sentences he once uttered. We are eagerly awaiting for you to show proof, not more words, Proof to Us of an actual NDA violation, and not a simply reposting the same two sentences over and over again.

Fine Print: (1)We, Our, and Us denotes the multiple personalities are getting bored of not seeing proof of illicit actions but merely a reposting of words.


I can't tell if you are serious talking about this "we" stuff. But whatever. You say "CCP has internal tools which can catch nefarious activity by any CSM members who might be jockeying for in game advantage by breaching the NDA." Of course if they give out the information out of game - which most discussion about eve is out of game CCP has no way to detect it. They do not have wiretaps set up on csm members. So CCP is stuck with a situation where they just see characters buying ans selling items. Why they do that is not part of the game. It is not something ccp can track at all.

Note Larkonis trassler not only did the trades on his own account but he also didn't even leave iceland before he did the trades. When asked about it he admitted it. So to hold him up as an example of how ccp can track anything down is just silly.

With Ank we don't know the situation and from what limitted information we had it did not sound like a situation where she was trying to get in game advantage but rather she actually gave some of this information to another company or misrepresented something. But either way this just demonstrates people on csm can not be trusted and that is the clear history we have. There are others you missed.

There are so many ways people can avoid getting caught taking advantage of this information it is just silly to say ccp will know. Lets say a bunch of people in an alliance decided they wanted to switch from manufacturing rorquals to making some other thing. Now maybe they did this because their csm member tipped them off. But then again maybe they did just decide it was time to use their minerals for something else. How is ccp to know this? If they ban the csm member when it just happened that the alliance made the decision to change (and csm was not involved at all) then they are clearly wrongfully banning him without sufficient evidence. But how could they possibly know whether a phone call was made? Answer: they can't. So anyone with even a small ounce of intelligence can use this information to help their alliance just like Aryth said he would do.

Do you think aryth was lying when he said he would do this? Do you not see how his explicitly saying he will do this and then ccp not even caring demonstrates what a joke this is? If a politician says hey I am going to skim money and do crooked deals for my friends if I get elected, and then people go ahead and elect him anyway, the only take away is that it is understood that bribes are business as usual.

For you to say my directly quoting someone saying they intend to use nda material to help their alliance is not evidence of anything just shows how out of touch you are.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Roan Pico
I- T I E -I
#535 - 2017-03-24 20:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Roan Pico
Ok, lets have a look at this:

* CCP gave 300 free AUR to everyone on christmas
* People being smarter than CCP farmed this with quadrillions of alt accounts
* CCP now got aware of their stupidity, is concerned this 300 AUR per account could kill PLEX price and steals every AUR below 1000 AUR - even those paid with real money

Here is how a stupid like me would solve this:
* remove 300 AUR from all accounts that received 300 AUR on christmas
* convert all remaining AUR >0

But im just an uneducated Hillbilly.

@ returning players: special "welcome back" offer coming soon just for you: 12 PLEX for only 6b ISK via private contract. No trade window ! Get it while its hot ! Send mail to order.
ApexDynamo
Neurosurgical Reconstruction Centre
#536 - 2017-03-25 10:14:55 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Kyttn wrote:
"Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000?
A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX."

Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here



7 aurum will become 1 plex.

so 1050 aurum is 150 plex.

They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000


they're ignoring balances below 1000 lol players buy aurum from starter packs and your basically saying get rekt lol good way to keep customers.

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#537 - 2017-03-25 20:18:55 UTC
ApexDynamo wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Kyttn wrote:
"Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000?
A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX."

Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here



7 aurum will become 1 plex.

so 1050 aurum is 150 plex.

They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000


they're ignoring balances below 1000 lol players buy aurum from starter packs and your basically saying get rekt lol good way to keep customers.


Things have changed. Read the new devblog.

Woo! CSM XI!

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FIX IT
Numbers Inc
Mekharist Combine
#538 - 2017-03-31 09:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: FIX IT
Dr Missy wrote:
Feracitus wrote:
Since plex now comes in fractions, would be cool if we could also purchase game time in fractions, instead of sinking 1b at a time, specially for people that play sporadically, purchasing smaller bit sized chunks of game time would be much better.


There is a no financial incentive to do that (and if I were to guess, I would think a large loss... potentially a large number of people would only "sub" the few hours they play a week


Of cause there is a financial incentive. You charge more per day if they buy in smaller chunks than if they buy in longer ones - CCP already does it with month-year subscriptions, you just extend the logic further.

Also, this is not even an experiment, this is how gold functions in tank games that are out there. They make crazy profit btw, more per month than CCP has made in its entire existence.

The power of micro-transactions is in their seductiveness and mass appeal. CCP does not get it at all, and generally have trouble monetizing. Consider titan skins and how much ccp charges for them, as opposed to frigate skins and how much ccp charges for them. How many titan pilots are there in eve? How much $ will ccp make if every single titan pilot buys every single titan skin ever made? Will it ever pay for dev time? I mean some graphic artist worked on it, and then on the pictures for it in the store. All to make ccp 1000$.

CCP is worried people will spend money to light cinos. This is nut. If someone wants to give ccp 3$ to light a cino why not? Can you imagine how many of them get lit every day?

Someone will go omega for an evening to go pvp in 0.0 - now thats the worst that can happen? CCP gets money and you get content as you get to shoot at them or be shot by them.

Ill keep going with a rant :) Alpha clones - why do they train at half speed? Seriously, wouldn't you want the player to reach the maximum skills on alpha and want to fly a better ship and subscribe and thus give ccp money? Training faster is not an incentive
if there is an upper limit on skills, and there is a limit for alphas. if anything you want alphas to train FASTER so a new player can get to the limit and start doing cool things in the game and feel like alpha isn't enough for them. Lets say you get a new player at 1 million sp to go Omega for one month, that all you will get since he still cant fly anything cool, they still have to learn all the same alpha skills.

On the plus side this breaking down of plex I think is CCPs first serious step to try to get people to spend the plex on little stuff. Because if even a fraction of the plex that is already in the game gets used for subscription time CCP will go bankrupt, yes ccp got money for those plex, but that was yesterday, now they are IOUs for services to be rendered.
Aischa Montagne
Blut-Klauen-Clan
#539 - 2017-04-18 21:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aischa Montagne
Not that I use PLEX a lot. But if I am not mistaken, you can use a Plex through the Asset Window.
At least I had never the need to transport PLEX. And I think I used a plex in high sec that was stored in 00 space.
Transporting PLEX was always something for the unknowing poor.


However I do suggest to Arrange the Vault not in the Inventory. Your Personal wallet is a much better place. It can be an own tab there next to your own balance and Corp balance. It can also contain the services there.

Also I vote for keeping Aurum. PLEX may be more common in use, but it is directly tied to the subscription. Other Services tied to Plex are so uncommon in the language. So I think not used very often.
To PLEX an Account is very Iconic and it does mean to buy subscription time indirectly through ISK...

Thus, I suggest to demote Plex into a service name, which means to Extend subscription by 30 days through Aurum (3500 AUR / Month). Which complies with the meaning it currently has.
I suggest further to make Aurum a trade able Currency like PLEX is today. Maybe issuing a special Aurum Container as Item for trade.
Maybe if you feel more Comfortable you can only fill the Aurum Container with 3500 Aurum (or the value of one todays Plex)
And you have the Option to Issue different Container Sizes in Future.

That would be less intrusive for players. Less Conversion hassles and less Market impact by messing with an Items that are existing while changeing its fundamental value. Plus gving CCP more market Option in future due its Flexible Dsign to Package Aurum in Containers. (Reference -> World of Tanks, World of Warships. Working very nice there)
However I assume that the impact on your development would be higher. But to be honest, I think it is personal totaly worth the Hassle. Also it is a development Opportunity.

I also think that Aurum will be as Popular as Plex is today, as soon as it is tradeable. Its today unpopularity is more an effect that it resides in the Shadow of PLEX which are far more improtant in its overall use today. There is no need to hold to the idea it has today.

I like the general direction of the Idea and Plan. So I appreciate the step no matter what you decide in the end. It can feel more or less clumsy ;) But it is all a matter of Definition, not procedure.
DiDDleR
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#540 - 2017-05-03 12:47:36 UTC
Roan Pico wrote:
Ok, lets have a look at this:

* CCP gave 300 free AUR to everyone on christmas
* People being smarter than CCP farmed this with quadrillions of alt accounts
* CCP now got aware of their stupidity, is concerned this 300 AUR per account could kill PLEX price and steals every AUR below 1000 AUR - even those paid with real money

Here is how a stupid like me would solve this:
* remove 300 AUR from all accounts that received 300 AUR on christmas
* convert all remaining AUR >0

But im just an uneducated Hillbilly.

@ returning players: special "welcome back" offer coming soon just for you: 12 PLEX for only 6b ISK via private contract. No trade window ! Get it while its hot ! Send mail to order.


They only gave 300 AUR to subbed accounts...