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literally yeah


Question though, the devblog states: "However only Refineries deployed near minable moons will be able to fit a moon drill service module."

Is that just a general statement, or can we expect differences between moons in regards to minable, not minable - cause that's a little interesting.

One more question: how will the active gameplay be approached in terms of skills and shiptypes? Any current thoughts or concepts?

Will we able to scoop up moon crust in wh space?
Maybe in limited numbers?

Also will we able to say put this down in a ore or ice anom to generate more ore to mine?
also can you please not make them difficult to transport like you did with the other L sized structures.

What will be the restrictions for wormholes? Are there any ideas around?
Right now you cannot produce T2 materials there by moon mining... will this change?
But I like the new concept very much

RIP pure PVP alliances who rely on some passive income. This change literally makes a mining division a requirement for every alliance.

On the plus side, refining. Cool.

Oh and literally these will be priced in the range of citadels/ECs? So all of the POSes from 145 mill for the small tower moon miners to the billion isk large towers, you're telling me EVERY small tower will need to be replaced by something that costs more than a billion isk. Straight up screwing the small guys, and straight up screwing alliances with no mining groups aren't we CCP? For the record my alliance CAN afford it and DOES have a large mining division, so we're not too worried.

What does concern me is how I, as the alliance CEO, will need to start taxing the hell out of everyone to make sure the alliance is making money. We didn't charge corp fees, paid good money for ore buyback, all that. This was by FAR the main income for us so I could pay SRP, give people good money for ores/salvage, etc. And we really aren't putting very much in the alliance wallet. We're not broke, but we're not rich by far.

Honestly taxing the hell out of everybody sounds like a terrible idea. Guess corp fees are being forced on us now, along with awesome taxes. Come on now, this is really the best we could come up with?

CCP and EVE Dev group...

Would you quit gaying up EVE please?

Thanks...

I like a lot of this; changing moon mining into an active activity is, IMO, a positive. I do have a bit of a dislike for parts of the ledger feature, though.


I don't think I like these ideas, at least as presented. IMO you shouldn't be able to gather that sort of information in an automated fashion, at least not for hostiles. If you leave your valuable moon mining operation (that you know exactly when is going to spawn) so unattended that literally nobody is there to see someone swooping in to ninja-mine your goo, then you don't deserve to automagically know exactly who it was. This is the same sort of thing that made siphons worthless.

IMO, it should work something like this. The ledger records character/corp/type/amount on a short delay for alliance members only. When the field is fully mined out and/or despawns, the ledger then reports "this field should have contained X amount of material A, but only Y amount was mined by alliance members, someone ninja-mined X-Y of this material" but does not tell you who or when.

This way you do still know that someone was ninja-mining you, but you don't get automated warning of it until it's already happened and you don't know who. It gives you enough information to warn you that someone is stealing and to guesstimate the scale of the ninja-mining, but if you want to know who to retaliate against you'll actually have to pay attention and follow up with human observation.

This all goes double for full-fledged system-wide mining tracking. Getting full details on enemy activity in an automated fashion over a whole system is silly. Again, some sort of warning isn't inappropriate, but getting full details should require human attention.

Yeah it was strange, the edit wasn't there as i was typing my reply but was as I posted it.

Yeah, and it missed my addition at the bottom, even though I did the strikethrough and added the extra bit in the same edit. Strange.

Thanks for the effort, though! Always happy to be corrected when I'm objectively wrong.

This! Siphons?

So another nail in the coffin of small miners / manufacturers? Surely this means players will need to join a large Corp or get into another line of business.