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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Roland Schlosser
Entropy Engine
#261 - 2017-03-16 23:44:09 UTC
Why don't we just gank everything in Jita/Perimeter until they drop this stupid idea
Capqu
Half Empty
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#262 - 2017-03-16 23:44:20 UTC
convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99€ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple

the amount being low per individual is not relevant.

you [CCP] are taking/have taken money for an in-game currency
now you are deciding to defunct that currency and not refund players. there is no justification for this

i don't know much about law and i wont pretend to, but to me this is grounds for a class action. every single eve online account with a small amount of currency is being stolen from.

being conservative and saying 30k players with 150 average AUR being stolen, you are stealing 0.83c from each player - which results in over 24,000€ stolen.
and that is with VERY conservative numbers on my part

i don't know what world you live in where you think you can get away with scamming that kind of money in broad daylight and brush it under the rug as a game-play decision.

this isn't an in game currency you invented. this is money you took from people in return for a currency to use your store

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#263 - 2017-03-16 23:46:05 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
beakerax wrote:
1000 seems easier to understand than 500…

And then convert aurum at 1:3.5 ratio? There is a reason why they went with a divisor of 3500...

It doesn't matter. Someone's AUR is getting rounded either way.
SIEGE RED
The Darwin Foundation
#264 - 2017-03-16 23:49:17 UTC
Capqu wrote:
convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99€ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple

the amount being low per individual is not relevant.

you [CCP] are taking/have taken money for an in-game currency
now you are deciding to defunct that currency and not refund players. there is no justification for this

i don't know much about law and i wont pretend to, but to me this is grounds for a class action. every single eve online account with a small amount of currency is being stolen from.

being conservative and saying 30k players with 150 average AUR being stolen, you are stealing 0.83c from each player - which results in over 24,000€ stolen.
and that is with VERY conservative numbers on my part

i don't know what world you live in where you think you can get away with scamming that kind of money in broad daylight and brush it under the rug as a game-play decision.

this isn't an in game currency you invented. this is money you took from people in return for a currency to use your store


It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts.
Karina Ivanovich
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#265 - 2017-03-16 23:50:49 UTC
Capqu wrote:
convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99€ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple

the amount being low per individual is not relevant.

you [CCP] are taking/have taken money for an in-game currency
now you are deciding to defunct that currency and not refund players. there is no justification for this

i don't know much about law and i wont pretend to, but to me this is grounds for a class action. every single eve online account with a small amount of currency is being stolen from.

being conservative and saying 30k players with 150 average AUR being stolen, you are stealing 0.83c from each player - which results in over 24,000€ stolen.
and that is with VERY conservative numbers on my part

i don't know what world you live in where you think you can get away with scamming that kind of money in broad daylight and brush it under the rug as a game-play decision.

this isn't an in game currency you invented. this is money you took from people in return for a currency to use your store


This

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Capqu
Half Empty
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#266 - 2017-03-16 23:51:51 UTC
SIEGE RED wrote:

It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts.


mine certainly doesn't fall into the gift category, and that is not an excuse to remove peoples real world investment.
just because they were stupid with their initial deployment of in-game cash shop does not give them the right to revoke previously invested money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
SIEGE RED
The Darwin Foundation
#267 - 2017-03-16 23:55:31 UTC
Capqu wrote:
SIEGE RED wrote:

It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts.


mine certainly doesn't fall into the gift category, and that is not an excuse to remove peoples real world investment.
just because they were stupid with their initial deployment of in-game cash shop does not give them the right to revoke previously invested money


Then join the pattern of the ones who appeared to know already to push Plex over that Aurum line - if I remember correctly Jester outlined it in the topic on Reddit.
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
#268 - 2017-03-16 23:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: McBorsk
"Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change:"

Yeah, how about you let us tell you if it's exciting or not?

I am not excited. Wouldn't it be a lot easier to use ISK instead of corrupting THE commodity of the game. The skins are already on the market, aurum store is a superfluous annoyance.
Capqu
Half Empty
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#269 - 2017-03-16 23:56:48 UTC
SIEGE RED wrote:
Capqu wrote:
SIEGE RED wrote:

It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts.


mine certainly doesn't fall into the gift category, and that is not an excuse to remove peoples real world investment.
just because they were stupid with their initial deployment of in-game cash shop does not give them the right to revoke previously invested money


Then join the pattern of the ones who appeared to know already to push Plex over that Aurum line - if I remember correctly Jester outlined it in the topic on Reddit.


invest more to get anything out of my current investment?
do you know how crazy that sounds when a company is willing to do things as scumbag and shady as this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
SIEGE RED
The Darwin Foundation
#270 - 2017-03-17 00:10:23 UTC
Capqu wrote:
SIEGE RED wrote:
Capqu wrote:
SIEGE RED wrote:

It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts.


mine certainly doesn't fall into the gift category, and that is not an excuse to remove peoples real world investment.
just because they were stupid with their initial deployment of in-game cash shop does not give them the right to revoke previously invested money


Then join the pattern of the ones who appeared to know already to push Plex over that Aurum line - if I remember correctly Jester outlined it in the topic on Reddit.


invest more to get anything out of my current investment?
do you know how crazy that sounds when a company is willing to do things as scumbag and shady as this?


Morality in business? Anyway, you're not wrong, but it's a different aspect of the debat - from a different perspective. Surprisingly, it's not the first time that going deeper, riding the wave so to speak, got people on top. It is CCP's game after all, and their venture. And while it's changed for the better, they remain predictable.

Look, this could have been so much worse. They're taking their time, it's going to be a while before we get even a tentative timeline, several feedback rounds, and plenty opportunity to test the waters for both real and perception challenges. It's not the CCP from 6 years ago either.

We can stare ourselves blind on details of change, or we can focus on the next evolution.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#271 - 2017-03-17 00:17:04 UTC
Skully Luv wrote:
With all due respect, who cares? We want new ships, new PVE content, new WH content, more ways to kill each other in PVP. Please stop wasting dev resources on this and other useless things like skins.


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Wanda Fayne
#272 - 2017-03-17 00:19:10 UTC
Losing that aur under 1000k is bad.
Looks bad, feels bad.
Bad.

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ddred
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#273 - 2017-03-17 00:31:52 UTC
I would suggest, if possible, that you audit accounts to see if they've ever purchased aurum and only honor/convert aurum for those accounts into plex regardless of how much they have.

I understand wanting to avoid introducing a lot of free plex into the system from previous giveaways but this doesn't necessarily solve the issue since I could potentially purchase a plex and convert it into aurum just so I save the free aurum I have received in the past.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#274 - 2017-03-17 00:34:20 UTC
Back in the day to prevent players making bad decisions, there was a warning along the lines of, "you are undocking without your mission cargo, do you really want to do this?" There was no option added to allow access to mission cargo from any station.

Back in the day, mission cargoes used to be thousands of individual items. Then to prevent fraud the cargo of 1000 dolls became 1 large crate of dolls. Why does PLEX need tombe treated differently?

This action looks like an attempt to sieze stale balances. At the very least I would convert Aurum to PLEX rounding up, rather than rounding the first thousand down to zero. Perhaps CCP is hoping to incite a mad rush on the Aurum store for all those sub-1000 Aurum offers?

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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#275 - 2017-03-17 00:45:10 UTC
Not thrilled with losing my pittance of AUR that I paid money for. Feels sorta stealy.

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Borgum
FA-JIN
#276 - 2017-03-17 00:49:07 UTC

Will this change the ISK value of a PLEX?

If I currently have 1 PLEX should I sell it now or wait until after the change?

If I hold onto my PLEX and the change happens, when I login the next day will I magically have
500 PLEX or the 1 PLEX I originally had?

Since the market is supposed to be player driven, if a person's PLEX magically increases in number to 500 times -
won't the price stay the same and then decrease over time? In this scenario, I could immediately sell my 500 PLEX after the change and make a huge amount of ISK...or could I?

I would think that until the price evens out, i.e., drops, buying ISK will be a losing proposition and no one will want to touch it.

How does CCP plan to deal with this?

Will CCP deal with this?



CCP Phantom wrote:
Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store!

Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX.

Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change: PLEX Changes On The Way!

Please note, these changes don’t have a set release date yet but will be coming to EVE Online this spring or early summer.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#277 - 2017-03-17 00:53:06 UTC
On the topic of the changing of aur to plex, I don't believe CCP needs to worry so much about Aur plex entering the market.
What a lot of people will do is concentrate their Aurum from across accounts all onto a single account and then use that for some vanity item that previously no single account could afford, but between them all they can afford.

For Borgum, the market is player driven so what happens to the isk value of plex is up to the players. However CCP tend to either wipe market orders when a change of this magnitude occurs, or automatically scale them. So it is unlikely you will be able to rip off an old market order magically.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#278 - 2017-03-17 00:54:09 UTC
Borgum wrote:

Will this change the ISK value of a PLEX?

If I currently have 1 PLEX should I sell it now or wait until after the change?

If I hold onto my PLEX and the change happens, when I login the next day will I magically have
500 PLEX or the 1 PLEX I originally had?

Since the market is supposed to be player driven, if a person's PLEX magically increases in number to 500 times -
won't the price stay the same and then decrease over time? In this scenario, I could immediately sell my 500 PLEX after the change and make a huge amount of ISK...or could I?

I would think that until the price evens out, i.e., drops, buying ISK will be a losing proposition and no one will want to touch it.

How does CCP plan to deal with this?

Will CCP deal with this?



CCP Phantom wrote:
Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store!

Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX.

Check out the blog for further info on this exciting change: PLEX Changes On The Way!

Please note, these changes don’t have a set release date yet but will be coming to EVE Online this spring or early summer.


New and old plex will be different items on the market to prevent the situation you describe.
And eve marketplace is pretty good at staying stable. so a month game time will pretty much stay worth the same isk as it is now.

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Talaris EveningStar
The Torchwood Institute
#279 - 2017-03-17 00:58:39 UTC
Just when I thought CCP couldn't get anymore foolish, they come up with this ridiculous idea.

As someone who buys PLEX from the market regularly, I have absolutely no interest in buying anything less than 30 days of game time per PLEX.

When I sell PLEX, I have no interest in splitting up a 30 day chunk to sell it pieces and wait for the total to sell.

Aurum and the New Eden store were a terrible idea since inception. Clearly, you're having trouble getting people to spend money on it if you're considering this as an option. If so, let me be the first to tell you, the reason you can't get people to spend money on it, is because it's stupid. Converting PLEX into smaller integers isn't going to help.

Maybe if there were a reason to dress up our characters for more than a half-assed Captain's Quarters, and a static image, it might be worth consideration. And that's a huge might.

What you SHOULD be doing is removing the New Eden store altogether, adding all the items on it to the market, and abandon this foolish idea of a cash store. This isn't the MMO for it, and you've consistently failed to provide any value through it.

I really really hope you reconsider this terrible idea. Please extend the release date to never.

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Butlerian Crusade
#280 - 2017-03-17 01:04:56 UTC
SIEGE RED wrote:
Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts.


I've converted a Plex to Aurum. I've got Aurum left over because of their typical annoying microtransaction prices where none of the prices are divisors of the quantities you can buy currency in.

This Aurum was not a free gift, and confiscating it is unacceptable.

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