Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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I think bubbles should have a warp disruption factor. Even with a value of 1 they will still be highly effective at catching combat fleets. The only people able to escape would have to have prepared for it beforehand, and you can tackle them with target interdiction, though you might not catch them all.

I'm thinking tech-1 anchorable bubbles should have a disruption factor of just 1, while tech-2 could come in two varieties: one which increases radius and the other which has a reduced radius but a disrupt factor of 2. Meanwhile interdictor and heavy interdictor bubbles would be stronger, like 3 or 4.

Capital ships could automatically receive a multiplied effect from a warp disrupt bubble, or maybe we're at the point where we no longer need to rely on bubbles to hold down capitals. Maybe there could be special bubbles for locking down capital ships. In any case, capital ship balance can be discussed separately.




I don't know the answer but I agree that short-range logistics in nullsec needs a buff, hopefully so far that we can nerf long-range logistics and let short-range logistics take up the slack.

They would become next to impossible to catch and very much abused like you say.

We're asking this to see if there is support to remove it from ships.

I agree we could use nullified shuttles, but maybe make them tech 2 shuttles that cost a bit. This shouldn't be available to alpha accounts and it shouldn't be something that new players rely on. Any new player trying to shuttle through nullsec for the first time should learn on first encasement within a bubble that that means you can't warp. If new players had access to a nullified ship, they might pass through several bubbles thinking they are a decoration, then lose their battleship in one later when they find out it's actually a tool. Also shuttles are very well seeded throughout New Eden, and access to nullified ships should not be that readily available and distributed.


I'd keep strategic cruiser nullification subsystem. The real problem I have with them is that they are as powerful as battlecruisers while being as swift as cruisers. If they had tech 1 non-navy cruiser strength, their versatility and large number of skill bonuses would make them more than viable and they would still see common use. Currently they are generally fit in very specific overpowered combat layouts and some subsystems don't get used. Fix strategic cruisers? Yes, it should be at the top of the list! Remove nullification? It won't need to happen once they get fixed. They are currently used as force projection to bypass bubbles. Make them less of a combat ship and more of an exploration ship, and it'll probably become more popular to use stealth bombers and force recons than strategic cruisers--those bypass bubbles pretty well already and I don't see people complaining a whole lot.


I would definitely remove nullification from interceptors. I imagine the purpose behind it was for an interceptor to run ahead of the fleet and tackle someone in the escaping fleet, bypassing any bubbles on the way that could slow them down. But that's just it, if the bubbles are operated by a third party, it'll slow down the escaping fleet as well. If the bubbles are placed by the escaping fleet to delay the interceptor, that's fair gameplay. Also, interceptors dive out of bubbles very quickly. I used to fly an interceptor around nullsec before they were nullified, I didn't need that. It was more expensive than a T1 frigate but more likely to survive, so it was good if I had implants.

Realitively new player speaking again.

I personally like using an interceptors as an explorer interceptor. It is a thing. Losing nullification would really make that far less viable. Especially when it needs a greater skill investment, compared to covert ops, to work well in the first place. It's great having an alternative to covert ops. Take away that alternative, and I'm likely to become a cloaky AFK camper (which is itself complained about in another thread).

Besides which, adding to the previous poster, if an interceptor that runs doesn't encourage any sort of engagement, a nullified shuttle certainly doesn't.

I'm not going to pretend that I'm a nullsec warfare expert or anything. I just see interceptors as dogs of war, squeezing through defences and harassing by nipping at heals. They help provide threat in otherwise secure space (if used as such in the first place). Are they really main contenders and not just dogs? Honest question.

I would rather see nullification gain something like jump fatigue when passing through bubbles. That would at least not destroy some of my own gameplay by losing nullification.

Do not do this.

They warp cloaked, align like a frigate and warp as fast as interceptors. If you nullify them too then these haulers will be impossible to catch.

T3 cruisers don't need to lose nullification, they just need to lose the ability to have both nullification and a cov ops cloak and again, its effectively uncatchable.

I would leave interceptors as they are but them losing nullification would not be the end of the world, we managed before without it.

When a T3C is fitted with a Nullified and covert subsystem enabling them to move around 0.0 with a lower level of risk it has to nerf the ship so it has less tank and less DPS.

This nullified cloaky ability makes a huge difference to smaller entities who use this to move their stuff in and out, removing it will remove an unique ship type that takes time to train and enables different play styles. Of course thos people who want to lockdown space and get easy kills at gate camps will love removing the nullified cloaky T3C.

The CSM is full of large alliance players who want to destroy solo or small group play, doing this would really make it impossible for smaller groups or solo players to operate as there will be a big increase in gate camps for lazy players to get easy kills. CCP do not do it.

When I first started playing there was so many gate camps in 0.0 with bubbles it was silly, the thought of seeing that level of lame play again sets my teeth on edge.

Big alliances tend to move T3C fleets without bothering to use cloaks and nullifiers, hell I moved in a T3C fleet to fight PL the other day and it did not have any of those sub systems. I repeat the point, logistics is key to what small groups use T3C's for, either to move small stuff through or scout for a BR. Remove this ability and all we will see is gate camps everywhere.

What exactly changed specifically to help small corps or solo players? It is easy to say there was but not so easy to give details. Yes sov is one, but that is small alliance more than anything else.

Why would I take baltec1's word for anything? This is not about PL it is about removing a ship fit choice that enables small groups to do logistics. Hell what would be left setting up Astrahus's on every damn route in, yeah sure small groups will be able to do that...

Thankfully I am not in a small group any more, but if I was I would be looking at CCP and the CSM with acute angst over this.

This is a change that is not needed, they T3C's are fine as they are. The major alliances want this change to be able to strangle everyone else out, if CCP does this then I have to wonder.

What stops them is the fact that refitting takes time, and then if you want to go to another system you either have to refit back (and refit yet again once you move), or take your chances jumping through a gate without your cloak + bubble immunity. So if a fleet of nullified T3s jumps into your system you have at least a minute or two to react before they can engage you. IOW, all of their targets have plenty of time to dock up, and if you want to AFK cloak to counter that then they're forced to refit back to the weaker travel fit.

The better use for refitting in space is PvE T3 cruisers, since you can use the travel fit to get to your farming site, swap to combat fit to do your farming, and swap back for the trip home or if anything appears in local. And that primarily benefits solo/small group PvE players who don't have the power to claim a PvE system openly and carebear in battleships/carriers/etc.