EVE General Discussion

Oh, i totally understood you. Your arguments are simply flawed on many levels.

Let me try again:

1. Scanning does not hurt anyone by itself.
2. Scanning does not generate any Isk-value by itself.

3. Your argument that scanning is only used as preparation for ganking is simply false - there are other usages.

4 As long as you argue that the usage of passive targeter has to be looked upon isolated and without context, you also have to look isolated on scanning. Treating both modules differently make your whole arguments look a little bit ridiculous.
-> This leads back to 1. and 2.

5. In a world where scanning is penalized in any form and therefore not done anymore, the most probable result will be more arbitrary ganking. This makes the whole ganking situation worse for everyone.

I spare you the rest for now.

Why do people call suicide ganking griefing?

The suicide gankers are most likely not doing it to upset you, to think they deliberately set out to ruin your day is probly just you thinking your more important that you really are. I'm sure they have there reasons but to think its just to ruin your day is wrong.

Eve is a PVP game and suicide ganking is just one form of the pvp in my opinion. Some PVE activity are available but even them involves competing with other player for the better PVE. I mean if suicide ganking is griefing then what isn't. Is the guy who sits in the hub and adjust his price to be 0.1 isk lower than mine griefing me? Can the guy who warps to a belt to find you've killed the rats say your griefing him by killing what he wanted too?

Ganking is a part of the game, engage in the PVP and take steps to win!

It's the stagnation of PVe that drives players away. PVe has suffered three hits:

- it's the same old crap but at the same time, "new crap" is team or multiple account driven. This means you either use multiple accounts - which is a chore to people who just want to play a game, or team up, meaning at least half of that scant playtime you have it spent waiting for fleet as people are like "hold on gotta walk the dog/put the kid to sleep". Removal of casual play means the casuals can't play (NOT: the casuals become the kind of people who can make the game the center if their life).
- stuff that was interesting and more difficult in the past was turned into "easy mode". Exploration was probably the best casual game there was. You can spend a half hour on it (for many that's all they have) and in that time it's feast or famine. Thing is: you had no idea. Now exploration is predictable canned "grind" content.
- New AI makes for twists and turns in the missions, but it seems arbitrary and it's still the same old mission. Imagine a running track where they park a truck right on the path. Sure it's "new" but it's just irritating.


There have always been ganking, scamming, awoxing. But the game seems far less lively today because the "big draw" was never the PVP. It's always there, and many a player would partake in it from time to time, if they had time. What this really all amounts to is that people who take on PVP as their "thing" want to self-aggrandize and inflate their ego. PVP may be a thing here, but the real draw was the PVe and it's neglected, old, and just boils down to "grind" in the end.


While the game looks better than it has ever been, neglecting the casuals is a huge detriment. Today's casual might be the next day's fleet roamer, ganker, gankee, pirate, gate crasher, stealth bomber, spy, CEO, logi, etc. , or such time comes for example that the player is between jobs or careers, or other changes in familial obligations occur, that someone who had only an hour to play gets several, and then decides to play the game more. But drive that player out in the meantime and they won't be there later.

Bro.

You are arguing with people who already freely aggress other ships without any flagging or penalty and they claim it's not a broken mechanic.
You know of what I speak.

That needed repeating.

This thread has taught me that carebears really do just want everything handed to them.

^ After reading the above post serveral times over, I've given up trying to extract meaning from it.

Try again, only with coherent thoughts this time.

Three and a half days of training for T2 Invulns and Extenders is not "a great deal of cross training"

If you want a game where every fight is purely consensual then yeah, WoW is probably more your speed.

^ It's like he's speaking in tongues.

How does effectively ending for-profit piracy in the major trade routes fixing HS mechanics? How is that a good thing for the game?

True. And I have done that. It's the only ship I have that uses shields.

'I'm not going to be caught tinkering with the deflectors when species 8472 attacks. We're going to fight them, in FULL cooperation, WITH the Borg!'

I can do that better when you let me use what I can do best. No matter. In this one role of the game, it's not fair.