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U should never orbit in this game ever.


Also yes i am obviously much to cheap and risk averse to fly an orthrus... hmmmmm.

This is more fun than an orthrus, takes a bit of skill to acutally fly, and against the meta so not everyone knows a direct counter - oh ya, and u live if a blob warps in on ur "brawling" hic

yeah but its probably right to do even though I don't like it. I will HTFU and adapt. fly Lachesis etc.

Now please make the Lach useful as armor tanker and faster/more agile and actully doing good dps in the cruiser range. thanks.

These changes are OK but there is another aspect of HICs that should be looked at.

This surely will annoy T3C, ceptor and yacht pilots who are used to blowing through nullsec but nullified ships are a gameplay element that needs some sort of actual counter.

My corp CEO has suggested that a hictor bubble should be able to catch nullified ships so there is at least something that can be put on the field to try to prevent a nullified ship from simply moonwalking to zero on every warpable object.

Personally I would extend this to T2 bubbles as well but that's probably too much and the HIC approach requires active rather than passive engagement.

What does everyone think?

If getting killmails in Eve was a matter of skill, Koreans would play and win ar it. Leave Eve to the rejects of competitive games, please

If CCP is insistent on this change, I'd recommend not making them quite so drastic. Buff the Lachesis so it can scramble at 37-40 kilometers. Reduce the maximum range on the HIC scrambling infinite point to 27-30 kilometers. That leaves a niche for both ships, without making either one utterly overpowered or useless.

I've been flying these ships for just over a year in small gang / home defense situations. Yes, if you ran into me in your kiting ship this past year, you probably did not have a very good day. Our counter-nano gangs used the Onyx and Huginn to good effect (at least when I was around, I know some of my less-experienced guys and gals got totally wrecked a few times). The Onyx was particularly nice because it could murder tackle, which made it easier to control the engagement. Additionally, it didn't die immediately if you kept your logistics hidden off grid or had them hang back to sucker kiters in.

In the future, I guess I'll use a Lachesis, but it is a very poor substitute for the HIC. In small gangs, as long as we are disciplined about not chasing stupidly, the outcome won't be any different. We'll either catch the kiters and kill them, or they will run away. Since the Lachesis is not as survivable, I expect logistics ships will be more important in the future, which means most of the elite kiters will whine about our logistics and then run away instead of whining about our HIC's and running away.

The small gang HIC's really rely on only using one utility slot for the WDFG. You give up 90 DPS to fit a second WDFG, which hurts in a small gang environment. So, while the overall nerf to the scrambler range is bad, it's worse that you have to drop your long range tackle to switch to the scrambling script, or give up some of your already rather low DPS. Fleet ships won't be as affected by this, because they tend to fit multiple HIC points. So they can keep the long point on something while having the scrambler ready to go if something gets close enough to scram.

Here is the Onyx fit I was using. She'll always have a soft spot in my heart. Decent DPS (~430 with heat), solid tank (~92k EHP with heat), kind of slow (~2200 m/s with heat, ~2700 with heat and boosts), and sluggish, but I had a lot of fun with her.

[Onyx, Onyx]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pith B-Type EM Ward Field
Medium Capacitor Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Warp Disruption Field Generator II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

I dunno about all ur data diving. But simple as - how many people in this game ( percent wise ) do u think actually think on their own fits. not anything found on zkill or some youtube video. In each group of people how many "content: providers and forward-thinking" people are there out there for u to actually find.

This number is much higher in the FW frig meta granted, but for cruiser roaming - there are very few. That is why imo ur "data" or whatever that means isn't showing you what some of us are mentioning. Everyone and their mom is in an orthrus, a gila, a vni or omen navy. Why ?? cause that's what someone else who saw someone else, or was killed by one of these were flying.

Searching stats or zkill or whatever ur doing is never going to show u the most powerful ships or best setups. Just the most popular, and thats a never ending cycle until some "e-famous something" points it out. See chessurs nose, Suitonias kessy, Zoes Atron, Brains Keres. Everyone in different circles has their own things to insert there. But you get the picture.

Edit - Just a side note - how often do you ever see a small gang comp take on another small gang comp - this doesn't happen, as 2 highly skilled gangs will not put themselves in a position they cannot pull out of. Its 90% small gang vs kitchen sink or gate camp ( where there are none of these "forward thinking skilled players" that your data is looking for.

So fleet hics will now be replaced by huggins and bhaalgorns. A range reduction to 30-35km scram would have be much more reasonable. RIP hics , RIP ship variety.

:agreed:
I just wonder what is going to be the next ship that requires months of skills and will be nerfed to the level where 2 faction frigates can kill them. Seems legit.

CCP remove ability of cruisers to fit 100 MN ABs, not changing properties, but simply Dissalow usage on this class. Then you will see what this is really about

Чо там, опять Ева скатывается в УГ?

well thx guys you just killed HICs again
t1 frig can now hold you down in your HIC,
also next time you want to balance something you should try and compare the time invested in maxing out some ship before nerfing it to the ground, i could agree to 24-27km scram range but this is just pointless
also you might wanna answer to cry babies for once they should maybe adapt and try to evolve in tactics instead of just killing entire line of ships
gg