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I disagree. I think it's more "People don't want even the slimmest chance of losing."

nano snake revenant ftw

Instead of thinking of counters to the problem that is the HIC no-fly-zone, it's just a matter of picking the better ship (which in this case is the orthrus) to deal more dps that applies better, at longer range, with longer ranged warp disruption and more maneuverability. The statement here isn't that the orthrus becomes more prolific, it's that the orthrus REMAINS the stronger choice and that they're shuffling relatively minor issues around instead of dealing with the ship that was (and has been for quite a while) the first choice to begin with.

Regular scrams also kill solo MJD brawling, and there are several equally-fearsome things to a t1 nano cruiser/bc like the orthrus, rapier, huginn, arazu, lachesis, keres, any ship bonused for ECM, or any longer-ranged ship that can force you off grid with zero effort. People don't like the HIC because it is a tool to force content to stay localized, pulling the control of tempo and positioning away from the same dull kite garbage that we've seen for years now. Instead of using existing ships and modules to create fits to work against this utility granted from HIC scrams, people just complain until they get their return to the status quo.

*tips orthrus*

Kiting isnt a plague, blobbing is a plague. Kiting exists because 10 Ships gang up on 2 ships. Then the 10 dudes complain that the guys ran. WTF do you expect? What would you do?

Constantly in this game people complain about **** they do themselves, you blob someone post it on reddit, then you get blobbed and you call people dirty blobbers.

Someone runs you make fun of them for running they come back and counter blob you with a bigger blob and you turn around and run.

Its a game stop complaining so much jesus man, everyone are such huge hipocrits. Waaaaa 1 dude wont let me blob him with 10 guys its not fair waaaa. He is actually a good pilot and has implants nerf him nerf him.

I bet you complained about the bubble decay changes too.

How about you fight them on even terms and then they wont run.

Well done CCP on your recent announcements on changes. TY for your hard work, not all your changes will be perfect but progress is progress.

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Sounds like something that will still be possible after the change.

I am learning to kite as brawler because there's literally no point brawling in anything but ganks anymore. Any fight that's small-ish results in your brawl comp being outran, or else so deep into the fight that strategic repositioning and other techniques no longer work.

Dumb change, now it's even easier to be a little obnoxious ****.

No, it´s not possible anymore. The reason a HIC has a slight chance in surviving the current mid to large fleet meta is the range of the scram and that the fu*cker actually scrams. Bringing the HIC closer to the hostile fleet means you have to pull your logi closer, your dps closer or let the HIC be the loner in front of the fleet. Removing the scram means you can´t shut down individual ships and focus them down. Inties are nice for that role as well but simply not useable against certain fleets. Same for recons. You need that stupid tank to survive in the first place or well, have a chance to survive.

Regarding small gang/solo stuff. Once more people start leaving "team:re*tard" and use way nastier stuff than a HIC in their small gangs we will see the same people cry all over again. Ewar in general is the most annoying thing - I personally experienced - in small gang encounters. Even mid seized fleets with unbonused ewar are super nasty. It´s just that people are lazy and the lazy option is a HIC but let´s be a bit logical here for a moment. A slow, 700mil plus ISK HIC with moderate range/application is no good option vs ewar recons or Mordus ships. If you want to brawl yeah, the HIC might be your choice but if you want to brawl and bring some ewar on top of it and mix it up it will multiply your force by a lot. I guess most of us know how nasty certain recons or even frigs can be when you´re engaged in a brawl and they appear on grid.






This is the first post I read that has some substance in it. :)

The can´t tackle thing is correct for sure. But that refers to solo/small gang again right? I mean, a RMLM Onyx is nasty to tackle in an Inty or alike I imagine. But for fleet fights rapids make no sense. My fleet HIC barely has anything on it you could label as a direct damage dealing weapon system. Anyway, there is no need to tackle a HIC with a frigate/inty is there?


Regarding your utility vs mid-slot thingy. I agree, you can fit a couple WDFGs on a HIC and it´s usually best to get as many as you can on them - regarding fleet HICs. So yeh, mid´s for tank or whatever floats your boat. But and that´s something I value more than having utility highs or be able to fit multiple WDFGs in my highs. You get bonused ewar on the recons ships. So for small gang stuff you get more ewar per hull and damp+scram is a nice addition. Same for paint+web even when it´s usually more efficient to get more webs instead of point+web but well, more bang per hull in my book.

Last but not least the more versatile/complex thing. Do you really think that way? I mean, flying a HIC is not that hard now and won´t be hard if the nerf goes through. At least not from a perspective of actually deciding what to do and where to be. Changing scripts depending on situation is a no brainer and using a bubble will either kill you like it is now or you actually control the grid and the bubble is called for - again a no brainer. After all the HIC is no dictor which actually needs some finesse to be flown.
HIC is something you can dual or even tripple box and the nerf would not change that at all. It will stay the same easy to use hull as it was before just with some un needed nerfs to it.

Good change, CCP.
HIC were really idiots (and too easy to kite with).