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[Kyonoke] Contagion Tracking, Containment, Planning

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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#61 - 2017-02-15 19:22:15 UTC
Majority of what we can do right now (considering communication blackout and the fact that Caldari Navy dragged nearly all its divisions into this) consists of information collection and dessimination, which The Discourse crew will be on top of.

There is a saying among rescuers that "100 victims are better than 101" which essentially means that trying to help in a situation where you don't know what to do will only add to the problem. Right now it looks like the the professionals got it.

We will do what we can, explore potential scenarios, make sure the public is well informed without being a nuisance to the people who are the closest to the problem.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#62 - 2017-02-15 19:28:52 UTC
All that can be done is be prepared. Stock up on assets and resources, ensure you have combat ships available in case they're needed in the right areas, and be ready for anything. That is all that can ever be done when lack of information is the key problem.
Sterling Blades
Windstalker Security Corp
United Neopian Federation
#63 - 2017-02-15 19:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sterling Blades
I am willing to volunteer the efforts of the United Neopian Federation to take on assisting in relief to Postouvin. We are not based immediately within Solitude, however we can quickly begin moving small Rapid Response Vessels into the region carrying supplies to setup staging in Niballe, and Oerse. We cannot provide a citadel directly into Postouvin for direct onsite measures, but our resources and personnell none the less can be swiftly diverted to helping maintain the situation there.

The gods are out there. They watch us. They guide, they manipulate. We rally behind the ones we adore, and rain fire against those who rally behind the ones we hate. The question now is, to whom does your allegiance fall behind, dear Empyreans?

Mynxee
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#64 - 2017-02-15 22:52:35 UTC
My pilots are already assisting the SOE Ladies Auxiliary with transport of science and medical researchers to Oijanen. While it is true that most of us tend to operate in remote areas of space, many among our ranks stand ready to serve the good causes of New Eden and will deploy where we are needed in order to do that. Please don't hesitate to reach out to me if we can somehow support peaceful aid efforts relative to this crisis.

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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#65 - 2017-02-16 00:27:31 UTC
The time to shut the door will come much sooner than you could possibly want. Stars preserves us I never wanted to see this genie out of its bottle again.

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Sterling Blades
Windstalker Security Corp
United Neopian Federation
#66 - 2017-02-16 05:58:26 UTC
The first of several UNF Containment and Relief teams have arrived in Solitude, and are staged in Niballe at a freeport citadel that already exists there. Due to the nature of the suspected Kyonoke outbreak on the Astral Mining platform in Postouvin, All UNF C&R teams have Class 5A Self Contained HazMat gear, with minimum 2 hour internal air supplies and full HardVac ratings. Full primary and secondary quarantine measures will be instituted as necessary for all C&R Personnel that enter the Postouvin system. More Rapid Response units are being prepped to be moved from the Placid region, through Syndicate, and into Solitude for further staging.

The gods are out there. They watch us. They guide, they manipulate. We rally behind the ones we adore, and rain fire against those who rally behind the ones we hate. The question now is, to whom does your allegiance fall behind, dear Empyreans?

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#67 - 2017-02-16 08:55:39 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
I'll get in touch. Maybe there is something I can do.

Scope News wrote:
It's Kyonoke


Scratch that. I leave poking that particular beehive to people with more suicidal tendencies than me and wish you the best of luck. Keep in mind when talking about blowing planets up that this debris goes everywhere.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#68 - 2017-02-16 11:50:08 UTC
Sterling Blades wrote:
The first of several UNF Containment and Relief teams have arrived in Solitude, and are staged in Niballe at a freeport citadel that already exists there. Due to the nature of the suspected Kyonoke outbreak on the Astral Mining platform in Postouvin, All UNF C&R teams have Class 5A Self Contained HazMat gear, with minimum 2 hour internal air supplies and full HardVac ratings. Full primary and secondary quarantine measures will be instituted as necessary for all C&R Personnel that enter the Postouvin system. More Rapid Response units are being prepped to be moved from the Placid region, through Syndicate, and into Solitude for further staging.

Just keep in mind that this particular germ, as I understand it, bypasses most any means to filter it out, yeah? Honest concern from this ground pounder for your men.
Sterling Blades
Windstalker Security Corp
United Neopian Federation
#69 - 2017-02-16 12:23:55 UTC
Agiri Falken wrote:
Sterling Blades wrote:
The first of several UNF Containment and Relief teams have arrived in Solitude, and are staged in Niballe at a freeport citadel that already exists there. Due to the nature of the suspected Kyonoke outbreak on the Astral Mining platform in Postouvin, All UNF C&R teams have Class 5A Self Contained HazMat gear, with minimum 2 hour internal air supplies and full HardVac ratings. Full primary and secondary quarantine measures will be instituted as necessary for all C&R Personnel that enter the Postouvin system. More Rapid Response units are being prepped to be moved from the Placid region, through Syndicate, and into Solitude for further staging.

Just keep in mind that this particular germ, as I understand it, bypasses most any means to filter it out, yeah? Honest concern from this ground pounder for your men.


I understand your concerns, and very much so am appreciative of it. I have made sure that all involved personnel have been thoroughly briefed on the nature of this particular prion, and then given personal discretion to back out of the operation if they so chose without fear of repercussion. All C&R teams that chose to stay actively a part of the operation have done so of their own free will, fully understanding that any possible contact with the Astral Mining platform in Postouvin(or even entering its relative proximity) may mean that they will become part of the quarantine, and completely cut off from exit if they are not infomorphs such as capsuleers or former clone mercs.

The gods are out there. They watch us. They guide, they manipulate. We rally behind the ones we adore, and rain fire against those who rally behind the ones we hate. The question now is, to whom does your allegiance fall behind, dear Empyreans?

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#70 - 2017-02-16 15:26:54 UTC
Please bear in mind that one of the problems with Kyonoke is that the protein "speck" is too similar to normal proteins for scanners to pick it up very readily at all.

In other words, it can only really be tracked by its victims. It's maybe kind of a good thing that there's usually not a lot of delay before victims start appearing, but it can take much longer if the "speck" is in its "basic" state.

Paranoia's probably going to have to be the rule here.
Sterling Blades
Windstalker Security Corp
United Neopian Federation
#71 - 2017-02-16 16:00:32 UTC
That, I will not deny miss Aria, and am fully aware. Hence any proximal contact will be handled as exposure, and placed in further extended quarantine. Wish such weren't necessary, but these incidents do so require such paranoia.

Insofar we have established an operational center in Postouvin now, with primary staging still in Niballe, however we have kept all UNF vessels outside of the platform's proximity until additional C&R teams are in place, and it has been made clear that any entering C&R team to breach a certain cordon distance will be immediately marked as a quarantined casualty, and will not be allowed back past the cordon distance via remote disabling of any warp capabilities.

As much as it turns my gut, they are aware that any such attempts to get back after the 'No Return' distance will be met as a hostile act, and the vessel slagged with antimatter. Its a wretched state of affairs, but unfortunately pertinent that things not be allowed to escalate further and spread.

None of the C&R teams have been given any orders to enter proximity within 200km of the platform, and such shall remain the case in terms of orders given from top downward, until more information is known about the on platform situation, though Astral Mining has been less than forthcoming with specifics.

The situation across the board in all incidents is very much liquid, and still subject to change.

The gods are out there. They watch us. They guide, they manipulate. We rally behind the ones we adore, and rain fire against those who rally behind the ones we hate. The question now is, to whom does your allegiance fall behind, dear Empyreans?

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#72 - 2017-02-16 21:07:16 UTC
Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic.

The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it.

In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others.

Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small.

This is, however, not the standard strain.

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Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#73 - 2017-02-16 21:32:19 UTC
This increases the threat of the contagion significantly. As cold as it sounds, immediate, mandatory euthanasia for those infected is preferred at this point. Forcible isolation for all those potentially exposed.

Authorities must act quickly. If this is allowed to spread the effects will be devastating.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#74 - 2017-02-16 21:42:36 UTC
I'll admit, the mention of a "digital transmission of a full report on the pathogen" had me salivating a bit. That they called it a "virus" made me put a forehead shaped dent in my desk.

I will echo the academic community's request for dissemination of the report, as I have a full division standing ready to start working on it. This is a matter for all of New Eden, not just Zainou.

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H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#75 - 2017-02-16 21:54:09 UTC  |  Edited by: H1de0
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic.

The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it.

In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others.

Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small.

This is, however, not the standard strain.


This is indeed a very interesting development.

For primary we are now aware that the pathogen is able to traverse larger distances in it's "basic" state hence we must assume that the measures taken to isolate it could have proven unsuccessful. On what scale, only time will tell.

For secondary, since this is a non-standard strain, it seems the pathogen has undergone a mutation of sorts. Organics do not evolve in constant, finite environments. For the adaptation process to begin they need a catalyst, a change in their surroundings. Since the original strain was isolated and left host-less, the mutation process must have taken place outside of it's place of origin in Taisy.

Three possibilities come to mind:
1. A second (or multiple) "pit" exists.
2. The original sample managed to leak somehow.
3. The new strain has been engineered.

Decrypting the Sleeper cache..

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#76 - 2017-02-16 21:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
The lack of cases in recent history strongly suggests the mutation to this strain was not natural. Someone almost certainly engineered it to be more deadly and more easily spread.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#77 - 2017-02-16 23:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Karmilla Strife
The fact that hosts can use FTL travel does not constitute a "mutation".

edit: so my message is clear, somebody deliberately spread the contagion.

Now what entity has a history of covert observation of how various societies respond to stimuli?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2017-02-17 01:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic.

The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it.

In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others.

Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small.

This is, however, not the standard strain.


However, one must not forget that Kyonoke, being a prion, has a far more stable protein structure as to allow them to retain infectivity even under prolonged exposure to conditions that would denature a virus. They tend to linger around for much longer even after all potential hosts are eradicated. In the case of Kyonoke, it seemed like the prion could linger pretty much indefinitely. This would make the prion ideal for area denial attacks for anyone who wishes to utilise it as a weapon.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2017-02-17 03:25:18 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic.

The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it.

In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others.

Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small.

This is, however, not the standard strain.


However, one must not forget that Kyonoke, being a prion, has a far more stable protein structure as to allow them to retain infectivity even under prolonged exposure to conditions that would denature a virus. They tend to linger around for much longer even after all potential hosts are eradicated. In the case of Kyonoke, it seemed like the prion could linger pretty much indefinitely. This would make the prion ideal for area denial attacks for anyone who wishes to utilise it as a weapon.


It might be a little misleading to call it a prion, really. I mean, it's more like a tactical destroyer protein with "virus-like" (sharpshooter/propulsion) and "prion-like" (defensive) modes. Apparently it's not always so sturdy-- maybe there might be a way to force all of it into "advanced" form and then hit it with something that breaks it up?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2017-02-17 06:29:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pilots, a small update. The majority of the details are still classified, but it would appear this is not the same as the original strain. The slower action is in fact quite problematic.

The major issue with any pathogen is the amount of time the infected have to pass the infection on before themselves becoming incapacitated. This is, for instance, one of the reasons why a variety of hemorrhagic fevers are both terrifying but ultimately not dangerous to the interstellar community at large: while extremely contagious, symptoms progress so rapidly that the reproduction rate in the population is actually impeded by it.

In a way, this is why your common cold or flu is much more successful as a pathogen: the symptoms are such that it isn't uncommon for those infected to continue working, travelling, and passing the pathogen to others.

Not so with the standard Kyonoke strain, where infection progresses so rapidly that the potential number of exposed is extremely small.

This is, however, not the standard strain.


However, one must not forget that Kyonoke, being a prion, has a far more stable protein structure as to allow them to retain infectivity even under prolonged exposure to conditions that would denature a virus. They tend to linger around for much longer even after all potential hosts are eradicated. In the case of Kyonoke, it seemed like the prion could linger pretty much indefinitely. This would make the prion ideal for area denial attacks for anyone who wishes to utilise it as a weapon.


It might be a little misleading to call it a prion, really. I mean, it's more like a tactical destroyer protein with "virus-like" (sharpshooter/propulsion) and "prion-like" (defensive) modes. Apparently it's not always so sturdy-- maybe there might be a way to force all of it into "advanced" form and then hit it with something that breaks it up?


You do realise that a prion is, by definition, a protein with virus-like infective and replicative ability, right? Only difference between Kyonoke and the other prions is that Kyonoke is airborne while the rest can only infect by direct ingestion of contaminated material.

The difference between a prion and a virus is that a virus carries genetic material while a prion doesn't. It replicates by simply attaching itself to a host protein and forces it to fold into an infectious structure that is identical to the prion's.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.