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[Kyonoke] Contagion Tracking, Containment, Planning
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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#41 - 2017-02-14 15:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
I'm going to suggest that including the Astral Mining incident in the OP's list at this point is premature. While I cannot rule out such an event, there is no evidence of any sort of biological event there. It looks more like some sort of military coup. If it were a bio-chem attack or outbreak, would not someone have signaled for help by now? Or maybe sent out a warning?

edit: ok wait. The original press release states a bunch of things that are not known to be true. Since when is there an Astral Mining facility in Postouvin? And that space is known to be devoid of good mineral deposits like Radiant Hemorphite.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2017-02-14 15:48:28 UTC
Well...

It seems that things have taken quite a turn for the worse.

Please continue to trust your local governments and CONCORD who surely have your best interests in mind.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#43 - 2017-02-14 15:59:52 UTC
"It's never Kyonoke."

Until it is.

Containment is now the absolute priority.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#44 - 2017-02-14 16:07:13 UTC
Alright.

This is a blessing that is very, very well disguised. Sort of.

The advantage is this: Kyonoke is absolutely lethal, and fast-acting. The time of incubation is so brief that even a relatively short quarantine period on shipping can achieve significant returns on exposure of diseased persons, and the ability of the infected to expose themselves to others is likewise brief before they begin manifesting symptoms.

The disadvantage is this: this is a contagion that is able to survive harsh conditions, which means that contaminants that would usually be destroyed by exposure to vacuum might not be destroyed in this case. At the same time, the Kyonoke sample was found within the asteroid in question, not on its surface, which might mean that it is still vulnerable to radiation.

The question is what the Caldari Navy has learned about Kyonoke since its initial discovery and the establishment of their cordon.

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#45 - 2017-02-14 16:12:24 UTC
One thing is for damn sure. The Muttokon II space elevator plaform will need to be protected. That thing going up in flames while in orbit? The entire planet might feel the effects. Stage your combat ships, ladies and gentlemen. We might yet prove needed.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#46 - 2017-02-14 16:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinti Vailatti
I like the SCOPE.


Reporter: Hey Boss, they confirmed it! There's a KYONOKE OUTBREAK on Myrskaa on Oijanen II!!

Managing Editor: Oh my God, that's horrible! Quick! Run that piece on how to combat Angel Cartel ships!

Reporter: Um..boss..how is that going to help...

Managing Editor: Shut up and run that Anti-Angel broadcast NOW!

Reporter: But...Kyonoke...

Managing Editor: FINE. Put something on the scroll...now AIR THAT VIDEO OR YOU'RE FIRED!!!


F*cking assh*les..

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#47 - 2017-02-14 16:24:23 UTC
Takes time to get any segment set up. A ticker can be modified on the fly. I can understand them wanting to get the word out while still hammering out the actual news piece.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#48 - 2017-02-14 16:33:04 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Takes time to get any segment set up. A ticker can be modified on the fly. I can understand them wanting to get the word out while still hammering out the actual news piece.



Really? REALLY?

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#49 - 2017-02-14 16:35:48 UTC
In other news, I've been informed by staff that the Kyonoke pathogen has a variable incubation period, which means a brief quarantine for transit is not sufficient.

Further statements will follow a consultation with the medical personnel.

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2017-02-14 18:54:21 UTC
Given the first place to go into lockdown was a freight platform, it'll be a damn good day for the big four if it ends with just these sites.

Else it's going to be a big, damn, mess.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#51 - 2017-02-14 18:59:35 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Takes time to get any segment set up. A ticker can be modified on the fly. I can understand them wanting to get the word out while still hammering out the actual news piece.



Really? REALLY?



Really.
Corinne Lemmont
SOE Ladies Auxiliary
#52 - 2017-02-14 19:48:15 UTC
Blessings, capsuleers.

This situation is a frightening crisis, but I think that the capsuleer community is poised to provide significant assistance. I hope that political lines can be ignored while we focus on human needs.

My thanks to Ms. Priano and others for calls to coordinate support. To keep you informed about SOELA activity, earlier this morning before the Kyonote Plague confirmation was announced, my organization prepped 16 science specialists for transport to our research labs in Oijanen at the Mogul Outpost Sierra. Their transport is underway with assistance from Signal Cartel pilots. It is our hope that officials will work with us and permit us to offer support in the form of scientific and medical expertise.

Food and medical aid will obviously be a huge need; my Sisters of EVE contacts indicate that large shipments are being deployed with the expected cooperation of Caldari State and Myrskaa city officials. I don't yet know what role my organization may be asked to play in that effort. Things are far too fluid at the moment to make such predictions.

I will monitor this communique and respond accordingly as I can, but feel free to contact me directly.
Victoria Grey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2017-02-14 19:57:40 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
One thing is for damn sure. The Muttokon II space elevator plaform will need to be protected. That thing going up in flames while in orbit? The entire planet might feel the effects. Stage your combat ships, ladies and gentlemen. We might yet prove needed.


Roger that Ms. Del'Thul.
Aradina Varren
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#54 - 2017-02-14 20:55:37 UTC
I'm currently in Oijanen, the system is very active since it's a pipeline from the Drone Regions to Jita, and some of the traffic is hostile, so anyone planning to station themselves in Oijanen should keep that in mind.

Mogul Outpost Sierra is a freeport Astrahus in the system and is a good location to stage from. Airaken is a highsec system that borders Oijanen, just 8 jumps to Jita, and could also be used if you don't want to move assets into lowsec.

Feels Pretty Soft to Me.
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
#55 - 2017-02-14 21:34:05 UTC
At this point I guess we need who are eyes in each of the infected systems and whether or not we can creating staging areas in them all to be ready.

Now all we need is confirmation that Kyonoke is at the other sites.

We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#56 - 2017-02-14 21:38:06 UTC
I'm more curious who'll take on Aridia. That may possibly be the worst system outside of nullsec hubs to try and set up shop.
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
#57 - 2017-02-14 21:44:02 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I'm more curious who'll take on Aridia. That may possibly be the worst system outside of nullsec hubs to try and set up shop.


I seem to recall that there are least two Federation Research stations that are withing two jumps.

So difficult but impossible.

We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#58 - 2017-02-15 16:07:45 UTC
KILL IT WITH FIRE! Since this plague is so fast acting, I see no problem with literally purifying every infected area to the maximum possible extent. Any other response would be a gross dereliction of duty.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#59 - 2017-02-15 18:17:41 UTC
If there comes a time when the governing authorities in these areas call for purging quarantine zones, then we'll do so; with regret, surely, but with reason.

Until then, bombarding major population centers is not a step to be taken lightly, or independent of calls from those with a greater overall understanding of events.

As it stands, many of us who responded in the earliest days, before this was known to be Kyonoke, are already losing personnel over this. I see no reason to kill them, when there's a chance that quarantine and isolation may allow some of them to live.

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Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#60 - 2017-02-15 18:53:32 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
If there comes a time when the governing authorities in these areas call for purging quarantine zones, then we'll do so; with regret, surely, but with reason.

Until then, bombarding major population centers is not a step to be taken lightly, or independent of calls from those with a greater overall understanding of events.

As it stands, many of us who responded in the earliest days, before this was known to be Kyonoke, are already losing personnel over this. I see no reason to kill them, when there's a chance that quarantine and isolation may allow some of them to live.

I echo Priano-haani's sentiments on the matter. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. But there is a line between doing what is necessary, and adoption of a simple solution merely because it presents itself as such.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117