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That is why I use Reddit only to skim thru memes and images, and few funny or interesting posts on top sometimes grab my attention. I spend there only a little fraction of my forums time because its build in such way that it is quick to see the most interesting bits, but I am quickly back here, sometimes posting Reddit stuff.

Reddit is worse for continuous discussion, better for memes. Deduce from it what you want.

Horrible to read. On PC for sure. Reddit is so good to read on mobile too?

Yes, you clearly are new and dont understand at all.
ISDs remove posts or lock threads when they BREAK RULES.
That is, fyi, what a moderation team does.


Here you are trying to influence an ISD to ignore the arguments of the opposing side, especially one poster whom has repeatedly received written support from several other posters.

The dishonesty and arrogance of that is astounding.


By your own admission, you are NEW. You have no idea what the forums might have been before.
Furthermore, there is no such consensus that you claim, expect amongst those that agree with it.
It is clear in this thread, that there is NOT consensus on this, despite your attempt to ignore opposition.

Even the anti-ISD camp, is divided, without consensus.
Some argue moderation has been too heavy handed.
Others argue moderation has been too lax.

Get your facts straight.



First you tried to influence an ISD to ignore the opposition, and now you blame ISDs for the situation.
Several posters in this thread have voiced support for the actions of ISD.
You, however, accuse ISD of heavy handedness, inconsistency and possible bias.
ISD action is overseen by CCP. They are handpicked after extensive vetting.
There are existing mechanisms to appeal ISD action and report ISDs.
Arguably no board, anywhere, has a moderation that has this extent of controls on them.
Certainly NOT Reddit.

Here, again, you assume consensus where there is none.
The anti-ISD camp is divided in two.
Those that say moderation has been to heavy, and those that say moderation has been too lax.
Those are contradictory positions, antagonistic to each other.



Unbelievable.
Where is your evidence that ISDs do not work with both the community and CCP to improve these forums?
Now you accuse them of being defensive, and making excuses?
You call ISD Fractals view that Reddit is "shiny and new", as "foolish and offputting"?
Where is your substantiation/explanation of that?
Yes, you ARE new, and have no idea of the context, history or mechanisms of moderation on this board.

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I agree with you regarding a better notification system. The alternative (at least on these forums) is to hit the subscribe button for a thread that you're interested in and it'll send you notifications whenever anyone replies. Not exactly the same thing, but close if that's what you're looking for.


I've seen some good posts on Reddit too. For example, there was a great post there that described what was going on during World War Bee. It was great for people to figure out what was going on and quickly get caught up on the action. I tend to use it to see what interesting things happened in the past couple of days that I might have missed.

1) Yes, the subscribe option fulfills this. Having said that, i didnt discover it till much later on.
Now, I rely on it to keep me updated on multiple threads of interest to me across the spectrum of boards on this forum.
Subscription works, but is perhaps poorly communicated to the community as to how it works (which is infact very simple, just click subscribe)

2) Which leads to my second point.
Content on Reddit, is not categorized, whereas here they are issued on specific relevant boards.

Reddit provides a quick cross-section of "whats currently hip", but if you want content specific to your own interest, you can only hope google will provide you with a search result on a long buried topic.

Also if you want to post something to a specific group of the community involved with a particular aspect of EVE, on Reddit, your post will quickly sink under the volume of other topics, and is addressed to the entire population, not that specific portion concerned with you. (which also leads to a lot of crap posting, trolling and bad uninformed advice from people who have no idea on that specific issue, which feeds into why up/down vote is necessary on Reddit)

Here, all the boards stand alone as an encyclopedic database of specific content, and are populated/visited by people specifically interested in them. There are experts beyond par contributing daily on specific issues, on specific boards. On some boards here, Ive gone 10-20 pages deep, opening and reading what is of interest to me in a specific activity Im interested in.

This is a huge strength of this forum format, over Reddit.

Its far easier to dig for specific interest content here due to specific boards, and far easier to address your specific posts to likewise interested/informed posters on specific boards here, whereas on Reddit they are buried under the flow of general nonesense, and the threads themselves spammed by irrelevant/uninformed content.

Nobody has forgotten that, or disputes that.
Players can make whatever community sites they want.
Players can spend their time wherever they want.


This is false.
Posters whine on Reddit just as much as here, possibly more because they dont face repercussions for going too far.
GD is different than other boards here, and allowed more levity as a result of history/culture.
This board has the greatest cross-section of EVE players, and thus the widest panel and surface area for interaction on "grievances".

Sure, there are multiple nonsense grievances, which are commensurately ridiculed into the ground.
But there also also relevant grievances which affect a wide player base, and spawn threadnaughts of important discussion, sometimes hundreds of pages long. That is impossible on Reddit.



This is a subjective opinion and perspective.
As I posted to ISD Fractal, the board spectrum here allows for specific relevancy, from relevant posters.
It is an incontrovertible fact, that Reddit is flooded with far more crap, chips on shoulders etc, to the extent that iti is necessary to shift moderation from a vetted team operating purely on rules, to a player vote system based on subjective interests (whatever they may be).

The very fact Reddit requires downvoting, indicates that haters are an epidemic problem on Reddit.
That raises the question: whom is the hater? The content poster, or the downvoter?
Surely if you down vote something you are expressing and enacting hate against it?

If I want relevant info here, I can go to the specific board and dig through it. If I want specific input, I can address the specific population of that board.


So what? Nobody forces you to open those threads, much less participate in them, especially here on GD.
In a practical sense, those threads here provide the means for the EVE community to ridicule those attitudes, so as to re-affirm the ethos of EVE, collectively.

Yes, those threads occur here, because its the official board, as you pointed out earlier.
But this is in paradox to the claim that Devs actually prefer Reddit.
Thus a sensible angry leaver or poster of the type you describe, should infact post their crap on Reddit instead.
The Devs are apparently on Reddit. So whine there, instead.


Is there such a pop-up on Reddit? No? Then why should there be one here?
As to light-hearted, are you seriously trying to claim your posting here on this forum, has been "light-hearted"?
As to "freer", the only difference between here and Reddit on that, is that here there are rules, on Reddit, there is mob opinion.

Here you are free, as long as you dont break the rules.
On Reddit, you are only as free as the extent that the mob agrees with you.

Furthermore, you are conflating GD to be representative of the dozen+ other boards here.
It isnt. Its a unique board with a specific leeway.

You are comparing apples to oranges, in all the wrong ways.

Wat? You are the one that got hung up on it.
You chose two sentences out of my extensive rebuttal.

TWO sentences, out of my rebuttal to get hung on. GJ.

Do you also down vote what you disagree with on Reddit?
That constitutes an easy, unjustified, unexplained, systemic means of subduing something you disagree with, rather than arguing against it. You "manage" opposition, by suppressing it with the simple click of a vote.



Seriously? The profanity filter "offends" you?
Seriously? Getting your thread moved to its appropriate board "offends" you?
Seriously? That you cant attack me personally on a public forum "offends" you?

You seriously consider those to be restrictions on your freedom?

Those are really weak and pathetic arguments.
I recommend CCP allows a player option profanity filter, just so I can see your loving insults. Which btw, are against board rules.
If you post content to the wrong board, that is your own fault. When CCP moves it, its for your own benefit, so it gets the community attention on the relevant board it deserves.
Go ahead and PM me with what you personally think of me. See if I give a rats anus what some nobody on the internet that means absolutely nothing to me, thinks of me.



As you yourself said, Reddit is a 3rd party platform.
Do whatever you want there, but dont expect it to apply to the game and this board.

All you have to do here, and ingame, to be free, is follow the rules.
On Reddit, all you have to do to be free, is say popular things.

Be very carefuĺ now, how you respond to tnis, because it will reveal you.

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Again, you are conflating GD with the dozen+ other boards on this forum that are specific, and work just fine.
You further conflate a 3rd party platform, as being EVE. Your random 3rd party platform, is random.
You conflate following a few simple CCP rules, as enacted by vetted/handpicked/culpable/supervised ISDs, with unrestricted mob rule.

On this forum, as in this game, all you need to do , is follow a few simple rules that apply equally to us all.

You talk about freedom, yet Reddit, which you advocate, has a systemic means to suppress someone, anyone, elses freedom by just clicking a downvote.

The reason you prefer Reddit, is so you can avoid those rules for your own benefit and suppress the content of others with a simple downvote click.

Reddit is just another player based format, no different than a blog, or a corp forum, or a Minmatar sock knitting twitter

On Reddit you can suppress anyone you want with a simple downvote, but that doesnt work here,
Here, you are going to have to argue with people like me, on equal terms, on the validity of our arguments.
If you cant handle that, by all means, **** off to Reddit.

You could have just asked " Anyone know anything about the out-of-the-packaging features of the new forums software CCP is planning on using?"

Instead you stated you want the threat to die. That everything has been said.
Yet, suddenly, now, you instead want it to continue, and to have your questions answered (so not everything has been said).

What a hypocrisy. Are you even aware of that, yourself?

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To give you a general idea the software the new forums will be using is https://www.discourse.org/