EVE General Discussion

It actually succeeded in making me feel bad for mintchiplol



Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Some of these were before my time but yeah, the Eve forums used to be glorious. I miss them so much.

From what I've read in the CSM minutes, I'm not sure if the "new" EVE Forum is going to be an improvement. It sounds like you have to register an account and it's not going to be directly linked to your character (so no directly contacting players in-game, etc.) I guess we'll have to wait and see. I at least hope they make it available as a BETA so players can give feedback.

I'm new and even I know the capabilities of the ISD team is a bit more than that. You guys can lock and remove posts. Effectively shutting down a poster. Let's forgo the Slavos tactic of splitting of hairs and the gas lighting and stay focused on the issues. There's a consensus that the Eve forums aren't as enjoyable as before. This raised two questions : why and what can be done to rectify it.

After reading the comments here , one of the reasons that cannot be brushed aside is the unhappiness contributors of the Eve forums have with the moderation team. Not all of you, and no one has been specifically identified. However enough posts have been made that one cannot deny that there's a real feeling that the performance of the ISD team has been tainted by behaviors of inconsistency, heavy handed application of the rules, and possible bias. Contributors have asked for objective and reasonable moderation. The key word being 'moderate'.

Frankly I'm a bit disappointed in both you and ISD Fractal. You both had opportunities to work with the community on ways to improve these forums. Sadly you've gone the way of being defensive and excuse making. Some of the excuses aren't even good too. Honestly Fractal, calling Reddit shinny and new as the reason to why people are posting there and not here is as foolish as it is off putting. There's simply no sense in making that kind of remark when the Eve DEV team gravitates there to communicate with the players. Im new and I can see how much that screams that there's something wrong.

While we're aren't in agreement on specific ways to improve parts of these forums. We are generally interested in seeing these forums improve. I think it's safe to say we aren't against you. It's safe to say that most of us don't mind having the forums moderated.
Flacon mentioned that new forums were in the works. I've doubts that those new forums would be any sort of improvement until the issues afflicting the current forums are addressed.

Yeah, from what I've read of the new forums, I think I might just not bother. It's like CCP is making their own 3rd party forums that look like they'll be more hassle than they are worth. And that's on a fundamental software mechanics level, nothing to do with quality of content. Along with pretty much everything else in the CSM minutes, every statement of "this is a critical thing for this to be able to work" is responded to with a "we don't know how to do that" as though CCP only uses 3rd party software that they don't have the documentation for. I'm not feeling a lot of confidence in CCP today, and I don't think we should expect much from the forums in any regard.

I'm afraid you'll need to re-read what I said, because I never once said "shiny" nor "new". As I said, I believe that Reddit is popular because it satisfies people's craving for quick content without having to work for it. If I want to see what's big in the community today, the front page of /r/eve will tell me that easily. It isn't so easy to figure that out on the forums where old topics can be kept alive by continued interest in the topic, but new, hot-button issues don't stand out like they do on Reddit. The corollary of course is that hot-button issues fade quickly on Reddit.

It isn't accurate to say that the devs don't post on the forums either. If you click dev posts, you'll see that several devs have been posting on the forum all day. Go back in time and you'll see that this is consistently true. I think that dev posts on /r/eve are more visible due to the nature of Reddit, which features their replies more prominently. Perhaps from the dev's point of view (and I'm not trying to speak on their behalf) they find it easier to spot big issues quickly on /r/eve instead of having to browse the forums.

To me, this is just the nature of the fact that the forums and /r/eve are fundamentally different forms of communication. Reddit is the place to go for quick, fast feedback. The forums are the place to go for feedback that will take more time and back and forth discussion.

As for the rules, I'm not opposed to them loosening them up at all. My intent in my original post here was to let you guys know that it is the community, and not necessarily an individual ISD member, who are asking for the rules to be enforced. My only job is to enforce the rules as CCP has laid out.

These forums are full of people that are full of hate, spite, and some moronic desire to prove, by showing that they are know-it-alls, that you suck. Anything you say is wrong. Anything you want is wrong. Anything you propose is because you suck... Blah, blah, blah.

The GRANDEST thing CCP has done in recent history is T3 Destroyers and Strategic Cruisers. But don't let the Puritans hear you say that, oh no. They want their easily defined roles, with their easily picked out targets. They want their simple game, where they win, because they are l33t and have more skill points than you.

Who the hell are you? Some newblood with a few million sp, to challenge them? Bah. Sure as ****, they don't like it.

I'd be happy with another T2 Marauder-derivative.

Wow are you ever salty...

You posted an idea in PFaID for, you know, discussion. People started discussing it and poking holes and pointing out flaws in your precious idea. You did not take this well, and are apparently now complaining about it in various corners I assume hoping to garner sympathy. Let me know how that works out for you.

In point of fact older players rarely agree on anything, but you seem to have picked a hill to fight on that contains two things older players are almost guaranteed to agree on, which are blatantly OP ships and poorly thought out suggestions. Good luck to you sir, I'll bring the marshmallows and the fiddle...

And yes, T3Cs and T3Ds are blatantly and clearly OP. By both objective and subjective metrics they can wipe the floor with any T1 and all but some very specialized T2 fits in their weight class, and most of the latter they can run away from. T3Cs can even punch above their weight class and generally perform better than Battleships in any role that doesn't involve alpha or long range damage projection.

If you don't understand why this makes them OP, or why it's bad for the game, or basically anything here PM me, I'd be happy to walk you through it so long as you can leave the close minded attitude somewhere else before hand.

I am with you, I have tried to debate on this forum with my main and the abuse and insults and misrepresentation of what I have said is truly amazing at times, I have at least two stalkers on the forums, both of which I have on ignore, one even has my mains name in his signature misrepresenting what I said.

I pointed out here the types of things they do to get people to react angrily and I linked one such attack by Malcannis doing exactly what he was railing about. You could not get more personal then insinuating that another player is a pedo.

And to your comments on T3's, I love them, I especially like the Strategic Cruisers which enable me to move around 0.0 and WH space effectively, and they can be caught if the gate camp is big enough, for those players you cite that is their game they want and demand easy kills to keep them sated, while people like me want the game to be hard.

Recently I looked at the way big fleet combat has changed and I wanted to partake in that so I have moved back to 0.0 to try that, this change to caps is truly awesome and CCP have done an excellent job so rather than moan and ***** about the obvious lack of balance in hisec and the easy pickings that the HTFU players have I have moved to 0.0 to partake in the fun with the new stuff.

The ISD who are looking after the forums are a massive improvement compared to the ones that were operating before.

I like many respond in kind to people who insult and wind up, but I never start it. Anyway great post and keep at it, speak your mind and don't let them knock you down, the more reasonable people that post here the better these forums will be, they have systematically destroyed these forums with their hate filled windups and that is the issue with the Eve forums more than anything else. And you saw that directed earlier at Salvos, who I may add only reacted back at them with their own lack of logic.

From what I understand your forum account will be linked with game account directly. So there won't be option to choose on which character you'll post on forum. In general, new incoming forums feels oversimplified. They propablly will kill EvE Gate. As always CCP moving into stupid direction. I feel they want to mimic reddit in some way. Which is bad, reddit is what Gd should be with some sort moderation. Some specific tabs should stay, I don't want to overflowed when I'll ask for specific fit or game mechanics.

and what about avatars?